That is also untrue. In fact if anything ketogenic diets are worse for lean mass retention compared to high carb diets when protein and calories are equated https://t.co/3gCYXxUOL9 https://t.co/qAxL7H4AQv How many L’s do you want to take today Oliver? https://t.co/YqFrI3Afj8
Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.
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The overall tone reveals skepticism about the study's conclusions, with many posts stressing that ketogenic diets do not result in increased fat loss or energy expenditure, citing studies and meta-analyses. Words like 'no difference,' 'misleading,' and 'debunked' demonstrate a critical tone, reflecting a preference for existing evidence over new findings, and highlight lively debates about diet efficacy and metabolic mechanisms.
Most discussions reflect skepticism or disagreement with the study’s findings, with many emphasizing that ketogenic diets do not produce significant metabolic advantages.
The group shows high curiosity and engagement with the topic, referencing specific studies, data, and biological mechanisms.
Participants are actively debating, citing scientific evidence, and challenging claims, indicating a moderate level of detailed involvement.
While the discussions influence opinions on ketogenic diets and energy expenditure, they seem more about opinion-shaping and clarification rather than immediate practical change.
Abstract in brief
- The study investigated how a low-carb ketogenic diet (KD) affects energy expenditure (EE) and body composition in overweight or obese men, comparing it to a high-carbohydrate baseline diet (BD).
- Results showed that during the KD, participants experienced small increases in EE and fat oxidation, along with a decrease in respiratory quotient (RQ), indicating increased fat burning, but there was no significant additional body fat loss compared to the baseline diet.
- Overall, while the ketogenic diet slightly raised energy expenditure, it did not lead to greater fat loss when calories were kept constant, suggesting that the effects on metabolism are modest and may be limited by other factors like protein utilization and loss of lean mass.
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Most liked on X and BlueskyKetogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrate diet. Full breakdown: https://t.co/eO2FddRH6C Study: https://t.co/ud07gazPqK #keto #ketodiet #carbs https://t.co/g7jg0KxiCv
体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo https://t.co/U2scoCzu8n
Well first off that’s not how logic works. When someone makes a claim the onus is on them to back up their claim, not to prove it wrong. But yes I can, how many citations would you like? https://t.co/OPv5c4juHt https://t.co/Eq61n2OV82 https://t.co/qAxL7H4AQv https://t.co/yrdT7KlVcV
6/6 References: https://t.co/khb7ppHskb https://t.co/eqW8sYrcd1 https://t.co/pwbOdLBOEm https://t.co/4rMdr6URAW https://t.co/1Yq0rRZu81
A igualdad calórica, tanto dietas altas en carbohidratos como bajas en carbohidratos conducen a la misma pérdida de grasa. Carbohidratos no son el demonio
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@ted_ryce @AlexJLeaf Hall, K. D., Chen, K. Y., Guo, J., et al. (2018). “Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.” The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 108(4), 702-710.
@DavidMacklinMD @KevinH_PhD Tx for interest: we want to explain the metabolic mechanisms behind the increase in sleeping EE in first week of keto diet from: https://t.co/1Yq0rRYWit and see if NR potentiates the effect More info here https://t.co/M8fwiRZTU1 Data collection started 2024, now ~50% enrolled
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@Jeff_T @lowcarbGP @DrEenfeldt @rcgp @DrDuaneRD @BrownAdey @KenDBerryMD @SBakerMD @drjasonfung @LoreofRunning1 @lowcarb_aus You're hopped up on bullshit. Excess energy doesn't vanish. No one has too little insulin to store it all. High carb diets perform better for fat loss and preservation of fat-free mass. https://t.co/PGibdLVihA https://t.co/Jmj7w4X2A8
@whitfieldlewis6 @NutritionMadeS3
@hydr0matte @dylanarmbruste3 @tednaiman What you're describing literally doesn't happen when subjects are kept relatively weight stable. https://t.co/rO170STKQf https://t.co/A8dpdLlz0M
@StudioSBCShow @bakhsh_reda @NADER_ALFRHAN هو يعتمد على ال carb insulin model بمثال السكر واللحم والشحم والانسولين وهذي تم نقضها عام ٢٠١٦: https://t.co/OmITBle8Mw وهي اصلا لاتزال تخضع لقانون الديناميكا الحرارية: https://t.co/QEKUlZ8U8O يعني مسالة السعرات لاتزال قائمة. ولو تقرا البحث الثاني راح تلاحظ انه مايفهم كيف https://t.co/RshRUVnQ29
@tMasonJercier @Falkenby @RizardOfOdds Not to mention it's been proven that Low Carb Diets do not cause more weight loss than low fat diets when calories and protein are equated: https://t.co/0PiiRGguUE https://t.co/MhgWUs8ogx https://t.co/Za2h1jVLe0 ht
@DavisonVideo @NutritionSciGuy @DoctorTro Nope. That's not true. It's been studied. Including studies funded by Gary Taubes and Peter Attia (below) And it's not necessary to promote a keto diet. Again, it works great for some people. No reason to deny science to support it. https://t.co/jiLxDWYpM4
RT @BioLayne: That is also untrue. In fact if anything ketogenic diets are worse for lean mass retention compared to high carb diets when p…
RT @BioLayne: That is also untrue. In fact if anything ketogenic diets are worse for lean mass retention compared to high carb diets when p…
That is also untrue. In fact if anything ketogenic diets are worse for lean mass retention compared to high carb diets when protein and calories are equated https://t.co/3gCYXxUOL9 https://t.co/qAxL7H4AQv How many L’s do you want to take today Oliver? https://t.co/YqFrI3Afj8
If hormones like insulin really changed the weight loss game, we'd see big differences between low-carb and low-fat diets with the same amounts calories. But guess what? We don't. https://t.co/s9OzcQrdmC https://t.co/Za2h1jWj3y https://t.co/3W0xgLXVTD
@aCarnivoreDiet @TheNutrivore https://t.co/EQXUHjXGcC
@StevenMBelknap @DrNadolsky Yet metabolic ward studies show no difference in weight loss between isocaloric diets https://t.co/EQXUHjXGcC Food contains molecules from which we can't get energy and molecules from which we can like fat, carbohydrates, protein and alcohol which are measured in calories
@AxiomOrca @AlpacaAurelius I do not need anecdotes when there are DOZENS of studies showing you do not need low carb to lose body fat. It’s not that hard to understand. LMFAO. Get with the program son. https://t.co/Ol12v50DNH
@David_5150 example studies: Low fat better results than low carb (marginally): https://t.co/B2Y4g4UiUH Meta analysis comparing low carb / low fat: https://t.co/TddekU93k8 Keto vs. high carb - https://t.co/lrKIJbCrqf
RT @JornTrommelen: In conclusion, the ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrate diet. Study: https://t.co…
In conclusion, the ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrate diet. Study: https://t.co/ud07gazPqK 9/9 Did you find this useful? Please help promote the first tweet of the thread: https://t.co/L8jmPsdiEZ
RT @AKoutnik: Ketone-adaptation timeline: Substrate Oxid. Plateau </=7d overweight/obese @KevinH_PhD ): https://t.co/YI19KL22WY </=4-14d…
Ketone-adaptation timeline: Substrate Oxid. Plateau </=7d overweight/obese @KevinH_PhD ): https://t.co/YI19KL22WY </=4-14d athletes @PhilipPrins11 @LoreofRunning1): https://t.co/GXCnJnNhNz I.M.O. Gas exchange is downstream of enzymatic & biochemical changes.... but... 4/n
Ketone-adaptation timeline: Substrate Oxidation Change Via gas exchange. </=4d (male/athletes): https://t.co/AJpGIjkoRC </=7d (overweight/obese): https://t.co/YI19KL22WY </=14d (overweight/obese): https://t.co/OgfC370hnX https://t.co/7eJZyUUSpU cont... 3/n
@Aristotle_Code @FenixAmmunition @MelonieMac I’m saying there are no randomized human control trials or meta-analyses that verify your claims. But the laws of thermodynamics work against you. Keto and insulin regulation aren’t magic. https://t.co/jU4yDAo0jH https://t.co/p15njRSVl9 https://t.co/lEX5Tl6t93
@jordanbpeterson Randomized human control trials have shown that when calories & protein are equated, there’s basically no difference in insulin sensitivity improvement as they lose weight when carbohydrate amounts are varied. Obesity is the issue https://t.co/OQRz2L846Y https://t.co/lEX5Tl6t93
@anti_wokeist @joeyyochheim Other research has found no difference in fat loss, eg https://t.co/ppmbe12TSz
RT @AaronHengist: 6/6 References: https://t.co/khb7ppHskb https://t.co/eqW8sYrcd1 https://t.co/pwbOdLBOEm https://t.co/4rMdr6URAW https…
6/6 References: https://t.co/khb7ppHskb https://t.co/eqW8sYrcd1 https://t.co/pwbOdLBOEm https://t.co/4rMdr6URAW https://t.co/1Yq0rRZu81
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@SentientBlobBob @BiggestComeback @tednaiman https://t.co/vSvjU7LCzf
The NIH report Mic the Vegan refers to in the video. NIH study at a Metabolic Ward. Two groups were fed the exact same calories. Body fat loss was slower in Ketosis. https://t.co/sboYrJqntX
RT @Dani_trainer_: A igualdad calórica, tanto dietas altas en carbohidratos como bajas en carbohidratos conducen a la misma pérdida de gras…
A igualdad calórica, tanto dietas altas en carbohidratos como bajas en carbohidratos conducen a la misma pérdida de grasa. Carbohidratos no son el demonio
@MacroFour 43% vs 25% protein lol And in the second study the low fat didn’t lose lean mass, while the low carb did. Did you even read these? Meanwhile https://t.co/U8jsT3z98M https://t.co/S3Cybawhln https://t.co/PhD1ArQuqc
@KevinH_PhD In your study “Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men” did you measure fasting insulin?
@garytaubes @CaloriesProper @SamueleMarcora @bigfatsurprise or how about the controlled feeding study in humans that you helped design that didn't support the CIM? https://t.co/tOXoJ3YgK5
RT @ToshiyukiHorie: 体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo
RT @ToshiyukiHorie: 体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo
RT @ToshiyukiHorie: 体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo
RT @ToshiyukiHorie: 体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo
RT @ToshiyukiHorie: 体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo https://t.co/U2scoCz…
RT @ToshiyukiHorie: 体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo https://t.co/U2scoCz…
体脂肪率減少においてケトジェニックダイエットが有効であることを示そうとした摂食実験は失敗に終わった。 https://t.co/AA2AcUcMze https://t.co/CZ3yq37UAo https://t.co/U2scoCzu8n
@AlexJLeaf @Shane_of_AZ @Jevan @KevinH_PhD Yeah, Hall's 2016 trial measured muscle catabolism. It normalized after 11 days. https://t.co/rO170SBBC7
Kehilangan lemak tubuh justru melambat saat kita beralih ke KD. KD sukses besar menurunkan BB, bahkan sejak awal kita beralih ke diet ini. Tapii... Laju penurunan lemak tubuh diperlambat lebih dr separuhnya. Jadi yg hilang apa ? Air, protein dan LBM https://t.co/nGDcTHOXaX
@KLesnansky Fat adaptation takes 11 days. https://t.co/rO170SBBC7
@SamueleMarcora @ClemmensenC @whsource @tonofbuns @FrogHarmless @DiscoStew66 You have to fix calories. Ebbeling et al tested it and so did Hall et al. Different results. Clearly needs more tests. https://t.co/8J09OF5s59 https://t.co/3iGwjQWjdL
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
RT @JornTrommelen: Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrat…
Ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss? The ketogenic diet does not increase fat loss compared to a high-carbohydrate diet. Full breakdown: https://t.co/eO2FddRH6C Study: https://t.co/ud07gazPqK #keto #ketodiet #carbs https://t.co/g7jg0KxiCv
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@PsuedoEpiphany @OhhiyoGarmen @DrNadolsky 1) keto makes no difference https://t.co/bhUQvK1WL5 2) that’s a stupid point that only low carb zealots make. Simply shows you the physiological outcomes. From there you can do what you want. Only zealots see that as a negative.
物理学者のやったケトンダイエット研究。肥満者を対象。ケトン食でも体脂肪が減りやすいわけでない。じゃっかん、代謝があがっているが、その程度はわずか。 https://t.co/KVidWPQKI9
Well first off that’s not how logic works. When someone makes a claim the onus is on them to back up their claim, not to prove it wrong. But yes I can, how many citations would you like? https://t.co/OPv5c4juHt https://t.co/Eq61n2OV82 https://t.co/qAxL7H4AQv https://t.co/yrdT7KlVcV
Metabolic ward trials haven’t shown nearly this increase in EE and what increase they did show was transient. https://t.co/qAxL7H4AQv https://t.co/P3wLyXkSuN
@xlittlepoppa Jajajaj ahí la evidencia! https://t.co/k3dosy6myu Y https://t.co/3O3Nm3HpJk https://t.co/7nwSz7Dyi7
@TamarHaspel @janwinter15 @DoctorTro @davidludwigmd @BenBikmanPhD When we measured daily ketone excretion in our previous ketogenic diet study, it amounted to a whopping ~15 kcal/d! https://t.co/S90PUkNkdA
@johnzahorik That's one possible interpretation, but remember that these diets were not isocaloric. Our previous studies don't support a substantial "metabolic advantage" of ketogenic diets: https://t.co/S90PUkvIP0 https://t.co/QKW7kxdRVD https://t.co/pfvZzp8HtU
I just posted "Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men: A secondary analysis of energy expenditure and physical activity - December 2019" on Reddit https://t.co/WuzC2qlQ3h
@f2harrell @NEJM @JAMA_current This one ?, "Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men"
Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men: a secondary analysis of energy expenditure and physical activity https://t.co/HBCF5SbB9S #glycotime
“Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric #ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.” https://t.co/RZRojCFE5C @KevinH_PhD #nutrition #diet #fatloss https://t.co/rbwq3OfFC6
Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men: a secondary analysis of energy expenditure and physical activity https://t.co/HBCF5SbB9S #glycotime
@agargmd @JoeSmit73584760 @EAllen0417 The sample menus are reported in the supplementary data attached to Doi:10.3945/ajcn.116.133561 (see ref 7). Macros are included in the paper. https://t.co/DsKUjHVAlG
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