Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined CV events
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease.
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The discussions frequently reference the significant reduction in cardiovascular events associated with lower saturated fat intake, such as a 17% decrease mentioned in the article. For instance, one participant noted, "a meta-analysis found that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events," demonstrating engagement with research findings. The tone varies from assertive endorsements of saturated fat reduction to skepticism over the conclusions drawn, reflecting the complexity of nutritional science.
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- Reducing saturated fat intake leads to lower serum cholesterol, but the impact on other health outcomes requires further clarification.
- The study assessed how replacing saturated fats with carbohydrates, polyunsaturated fats, monounsaturated fats, or protein affects mortality and heart-related issues by analyzing data from randomized clinical trials.
- The review included 15 studies with about 59,000 participants and found that reducing saturated fat could lower the risk of cardiovascular events by 17%.
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Most liked on X and Bluesky@DollPariah @RichardHanania It's nothing really new. Check the old Cochrane review: https://t.co/gT6xhmwJRc
@TotalCytopath The RCTs (when meta-analysed) looking at cvd events support it. Most use very 06 rich oils. https://t.co/QZ2xHzrMoo Also the mechanism is supported by observational, genetic and RCT data showing lowering LDL-C = less chd events. https://t.co/Z90lrE1xw6 Evidence showing how
@robkhenderson This argument is a bit of a red herring, since none of the dietary fat modification RCTs were powered for mortality outcomes. However, fat modification probably does reduce cardiovascular event risk. https://t.co/hmUVPBm84c
"Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease" https://t.co/W40qm0ywU2 (Cochrane review) Why isn't the press jumping all over this one I wonder…@EAllen0417
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@mattwridley 20/M Excess saturated fat is a health risk. "the U-turn over cholesterol and saturated fat" https://t.co/6aj6FhoTkF https://t.co/mxMRp8CLsB "a true assessment of whether Tamiflu works will be made by the Cochrane Collaboration" https://t.co/3C9isFXy0N https://t.co/VmkTuFyQlS https://t.co/X17siEEp9C
@NevgiAnne Tuossa videolla on muuten misinformaatiota. Esimerkiksi margariini on voita terveellisempi vaihtoehto. https://t.co/yqk12MeWnO
@robertcop777 @LX33t @silvano_trotta La revue systématique Cochrane montre que les AG saturés (produits anomaux, huile de coco ou palme) augmentent les risques de maladies cardiovasculaires... https://t.co/BJgTA4QIK7
@cremieuxrecueil @SkyOfConnection The RCT evidence is not in favour of that, and if you understand the mechanism of lipid peroxidation and the distribution of lipids in lipoproteins you would see how seed oils are harmful and the evidence doesn't disprove this. https://t.co/srpcVJ9s1S https://t.co/XGd53Eut78
@bigfatsurprise What about the Cochrane review? Yes, null on mortality -- but the difference between a fatal and non-fatal cardiovascular event is luck, and analysis of former has much lower power than latter. https://t.co/BH71ANrTCs
@gribbo586 @cryptokyle_33 We have meta-analyses that are pretty good. This one is imperfect, but still better than most of them. If I remember correctly, the picture is painted by analyses 1.35, 1.44, and 1.51. https://t.co/WZ7wGdEJ39
Link: https://t.co/gT6xhmxhGK
@grok @mattwridley "confirmed in sensitivity analyses including only trials that [...] significantly reduced saturated fat intake (Analysis 1.38), that achieved a reduction in total or LDL cholesterol (Analysis 1.39)" https://t.co/VmkTuFyQlS Valk 2022 doesn't make sense: https://t.co/fPTyFKcBg8 https://t.co/dBe2lVBseC
@grok @mattwridley The issues with Siri‐Tarino 2010 are already known: "This meta‐analysis has been criticised (Katan 2010; Scarborough 2010; Stamler 2010), as results of half of the studies included in their meta‐analysis were adjusted for serum cholesterol concentrations" https://t.co/VmkTuFyQlS https://t.co/FaJo1iry5P
RT @AtomsksSanakan: @mattwridley Matt Ridley in 2016: "It’s evidence that counts, especially randomized controlled trials, the gold standar…
@mattwridley Time to accept what randomized controlled trials showed. Matt Ridley in 2016: "It’s evidence that counts, especially randomized controlled trials, the gold standard of science." https://t.co/kUhJdInZvc "We included 15 randomised controlled trials" https://t.co/kQYd5U3684 https://t.co/BxWOFYFnGK
@mattwridley Matt Ridley in 2016: "It’s evidence that counts, especially randomized controlled trials, the gold standard of science." https://t.co/Isv2F3ukXs OK. "We included 15 randomised controlled trials" "Reducing saturated fat reduces serum cholesterol" https://t.co/VmkTuFyQlS https://t.co/SYTR0yEgQh
@mattwridley @grok Was Matt Ridley right about whether saturated fats cause heart disease by increasing cholesterol? "Reducing saturated fat reduces serum cholesterol" "greater reduction in saturated fat caused greater reductions in cardiovascular events" https://t.co/VmkTuFyQlS https://t.co/Shom1aD2GR
@mattwridley Matt Ridley in 2016: "The whole theory that saturated fats from animals cause heart disease by upping cholesterol is as full of holes as a Swiss cheese." https://t.co/3oZFV7U6Nx https://t.co/WGykPaRbi5 Cochrane 2020: https://t.co/VmkTuFyQlS https://t.co/Z1xEmGIHSx
@DollPariah @RichardHanania It's nothing really new. Check the old Cochrane review: https://t.co/gT6xhmwJRc
@raveryn @SamaHoole @GiantOldMonster You clearly know absolutely nothing about: "Stated trial outcomes", "Secondary outcomes"... You didn't even read the TITLE of the study which clearly says: "Reduction in SATURATED fat intake for cardiovascular disease"
Link to the @cochranecollab review https://t.co/ehZLue0B1o
@booomyz @TsukiWooki @EyesGleamMean @devilinmugler you're misinformed. Saturated fat isn't good or bad, just like anything it's about its dose. And cardiovascular risk rises with a dose exceeding 10% or you DCI, which 22 grams of fat exceeds that for most people. https://t.co/j6HdhUSU2q
Os maiores estudos da atualidade encontraram melhoras na saúde com a diminuição do consumo de gordura saturada, mas ainda tem gente que insiste que se trata de um complô da indústria alimentícia. https://t.co/2C0q0SWxVw https://t.co/gdsD64lRLc https://t.co/3BqL32lMmS
@jimmy_muthami @nicknorwitz Don't ignore the evidence just because it doesn't align with your opinion. https://t.co/pEJXu4zYnq 15 RCTs, reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 17%.
@Mqsley @PrayTheRosary12 @nypost Replacing saturated fats with vegetable oils decreases CVD mortality in humans: https://t.co/sEQ22STylt https://t.co/YfXYAQPsUt https://t.co/Bu0YpgOHjC https://t.co/k5LOlfUh1L https://t.co/cVO5m76eXI https://t.co/JwVpNwpSiG https://t.co/O0OpPLsLHJ
@ValidScience @clairlemon Saturated fat: "Meta‐regression suggested that greater reductions in saturated fat (reflected in greater reductions in serum cholesterol) resulted in greater reductions in risk of CVD events, explaining most heterogeneity between trials." https://t.co/4xENk8butk
@BrendanDav22620 @MohammedAlo @theproof I can go further and provide a study in this case. The claim being made is: “Replacing SFA with PUFA reduces the incidence of CVD events”. https://t.co/GCpfLLLDcP
@bigfatsurprise Saturated Fats have no effect on cardiovascular disease? Lol https://t.co/pTQCGy7VQk
@RaphaS896035 @MohammedAlo @jasongordo626 https://t.co/XglcV3bPA8
@larsms En NNT på ~ 50 er også svært bra når en snakker om folkehelsetiltak på befolkningsnivå. https://t.co/UBknuLF6f5 (3/3)
@kevinstock12 1) Correct Lee Hooper L, at al. Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease Cochrane Database Systemic Review, 2015 Results: The study found no effect of reducing saturated fat in heart attacks, strokes, or all cause deaths. https://t.co/Q47HWhkqVv Free Full
@bigfatsurprise @RobertKennedyJr There are "reviews", and then there are high quality reviews. The most stringent highest level review of them all (i.e. Cochrane) says SF does cause heart disease https://t.co/J5NgNVU73s https://t.co/Cd3AZf7y41
@joshtomaka @GardnerPhD @alicegcallahan @n3doc Summation 2: For example the cochrane review from 2020, one of the most in depth reviews on sat fat ever, which found that high sat fat intake was problematic. Note that I said high intake, I am not saying that sat fat is inherently bad, dose matters. https://t.co/udLdqGIk9R
@deportriggers @DrNealBarnard Cochrane Database Systematic Review, 2020. Hooper L, et al. Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. N=56k. Gribbin S, et al. Association of carbohydrate and saturated fat intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality in Australian women. Heart, 2021.
@RogerSeheult https://t.co/mNl98pflJL No RCT evidence that changes in LDLc via diet affect CVD or mortality https://t.co/rDol9781Sr https://t.co/vReWVdvjLr https://t.co/KlkVCONLLL MA of RCTs show no effects from meat https://t.co/zwv4VireUg High meat low carb diets improve metabolic health
@ThelastStyleb16 I know, but they often address different research questions. Still, the conclusions align. https://t.co/k7h98Q0QOY https://t.co/RUhRIEZHDh
So what should we believe? Traditional evidence? Older studies? New evidence? New meta-analyses? A Cochrane review looked into all the evidence available. https://t.co/fu5EmbGPh4
On the otherhand, others report a significant—albeit mild—beneficial effect of reduction in saturated fat. https://t.co/vuS7Po0gup https://t.co/BIOKqqFRWU
@Fight_of_Lies @sibaburck There is this one: https://t.co/ZyB2beMb5W
@khaou_ Je te conseille de lire plusieurs études tout n’est pas blanc ni noir : On a des preuves tengibles (grosses cohortes et études meta de plusieurs publications) qui prouvent un lien direct avec augmentation de gras saturé dans l’alimentation et risque CV https://t.co/XqPFewsP1c
@dylanarmbruste3 @hufcm @StevenMBelknap @GardnerPhD @American_Heart Yes and the others. Discussion on the Hooper paper. https://t.co/BV5QRULrl8 https://t.co/1v8qO8iYjs
@TotalCytopath @NutritionMadeS3 This was written in the Cochrane review for sfa replacement. https://t.co/drbDB9q2Yd
@BroChillerman I would argue not so similar For mortality, the estimate of causal effect with RCTs of sat fat is directionally the same as observational evidence (power could be an issue) For CVD, RCTs of reducing saturated fat fat show reduced CVD events https://t.co/wM23UB0hcm
@Gearoidmuar @naturalguy @ScepticalAnna They do. Hooper 2020: “There was a 17% reduction in cardiovascular events in people who had reduced SFA compared with those on higher SFA” https://t.co/GCpfLLL5nh
@HoldOnStil60450 @ScepticalAnna You should be more worried about sugar than SFA. SR of RCTs: "We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality... or cardiovascular mortality... or on non‐fatal myocardial infarction" https://t.co/mNl98pflJL
@rf121rf @pyroliquidsci @ElieJarrougeMD "Common sense" Please read this review of RCTs: https://t.co/d6t1N14noZ
@ElieJarrougeMD Wrong. Cochrane Review with 15 RCT: "reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events" https://t.co/pEJXu4zYnq
@TamarHaspel @sguyenet Moreover the evidence on saturated fat from a long line of RCTs is in fact far from compelling. doi: 10.3390/nu13103305. doi: 10.1093/nutrit/nuz091. doi: 10.1093/advances/nmaa008. doi: 10.3389/fpubh.2024.1396576. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD011737.pub3
@EricTopol @NatureMedicine @ClemensWittenb2 SR of RCTs: “We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality or cardiovascular mortality... [or] on non‐fatal myocardial infarction or CHD mortality" https://t.co/mNl98peNUd
@triagemethod Or maybe the conclusions of PURE are correct considering they are supported by 2-5 year long RCTs of saturated fat: "We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality or cardiovascular mortality" https://t.co/mNl98peNUd
@drmatthewnagra Still doesn't address the issue of needing to hold SFA constant w/in study design. Considering RCTs show "little or no effect of reducing SFA on all‐cause mortality or cardiovascular mortality," quibbling over *maybe* 4 mg/dL of LDLc is a waste of time https://t.co/mNl98peNUd
@BroChillerman @NutritionMadeS3 Can you share data that trumps a meta analysis of RCTs on this topic which considers the replacement nutrient? https://t.co/Qj7jPK9eto).
飽和脂肪酸の代わりに、魚やナッツ、オリーブオイルのような多価不飽和脂肪酸を増やした場合は、心臓や血管の健康には役立つとのこと https://t.co/jgzWVjgwQa #自分用メモ
@theproof @GardnerPhD @bigfatsurprise Why don't people in the high SFA intake interventions die more often in RCTs? Why is SFA's reputation nearly as bad as tobacco's despite exonerating evidence from RCTs? https://t.co/mNl98peNUd
@jibtie @NutritionMadeS3 https://t.co/mNl98peNUd SFA RCTs make it clear that increasing LDLc does not increase mortality https://t.co/LrurwG05st Torcetrapib is a drug that reduced LDLc and increased mortality https://t.co/5UOn33ZMHn hsCRP predicts mortality better than LDLc in statin trials
@TenhatLB @janellison @DrEenfeldt @tednaiman @LDLSkeptic Ok, so this isn't a study. This is an article analysing other studies. Their conclusions are wrong. This is a meta analysis of randomised controlled trials (the highest level of scientific evidence) proving sat fat, raises cholesterol and causes CVD. https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
Hooper, L., Martin, N., Jimoh, O. F., Kirk, C., Foster, E., & Abdelhamid, A. S. (2020). Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. Cochrane database of systematic reviews, (8). https://t.co/8cEYQfc48n (6/8)
@TamarHaspel https://t.co/mNl98pflJL SR of RCTs: "We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality" https://t.co/Ec925X8txL Statin benefits could be from their anti-inflammatory effects. Statin evidence may not be relevant to the impact of saturated fat on CVD
@SamaHoole What? There is literally a shit ton of evidence. Not least this meta analysis of randomised controlled trials. https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
@AaronBergman18 Can you explain why you don't think saturated fat is bad? It seems quite bad to me e.g. https://t.co/bdGkZf7lja
RT @KetoCounselor: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. Cochrane database of systematic reviews, (8). (4/6) https…
RT @KetoCounselor: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. Cochrane database of systematic reviews, (8). (4/6) https…
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. Cochrane database of systematic reviews, (8). (4/6) https://t.co/8cEYQfbwiP
@vapidbobcat @danyal9600 @BioLayne You haven’t actually posted where this study comes from once. That said we have a larger mega analysis with more RCTs showing that “reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 17%”. https://t.co/VKmUImU5x4
@AntiheroMD What specifically are you looking for? Synthesis pathways? Pathophysiology? Differences of fatty acid chain size of SFA (caprylic vs Lauric acid)? https://t.co/b0wI3YPgpT https://t.co/eko03bTTJ4
@StephenPiment @Meaningness Good RCTs, that randomize people to different diets and examine the effects on hard clinical outcomes such as cardiovascular events or mortality, (1) are possible and (2) exist. For example, see this Cochrane review of RCTs about saturated fat: https://t.co/bOFivAgOe7
@lumpenspace For context, meta-analyses looking at CV events instead of biomarkers tend to be consistent with this MA. PUFAs may reduce the risk of CV events when compared to SFAs. (Though the effect of MUFAs is unclear and there’s no difference found for mortality.) https://t.co/gecz69YMo0
@HnybadgersHub @Manderville_RD @zachinpractice Just verifiably untrue https://t.co/t3ugEyTfGs https://t.co/eo2DQpT0XS https://t.co/SKoSxRAGfl https://t.co/55Gth7fWnn https://t.co/7quqw9bD1u https://t.co/K6AKS79Imd https://t.co/7ytBj9g3dR
@NikosNoulezas @drpablocorral @society_eas https://t.co/x9JHiZ4tzk
@DBelardoMD @AviBittMD RCTs: "We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality or CVD mortality" https://t.co/mNl98peNUd It's too bad there's no convincing evidence that reducing saturated fat saves lives. It would be nice to have a simple and effective way to save lives
@asdrawingaf https://t.co/g7hhcikGGw Sure
@renatodumbra @MacroFour @LDLSkeptic If SFA ⬆️ LDL and LDL causes CVD, it does not follow SFA cause CVD - https://t.co/7nXIMchqd6 LDL per se harmless - https://t.co/eCD7XFPi8s See our comments to Cochrane - https://t.co/5C8zYOQtLm And further analysis using a more appropriate model - https://t.co/WbFqJE0KzS
@MacroFour @ZahcM @LDLSkeptic 2 great papers for you: https://t.co/Si3toLXMMl https://t.co/rLPLItApnE
@cvkurthukoti @dlifein @TheIraSahay @arunkumar3112 @jasmeet481 @cvkurthukoti Read this also Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2020; 2020(8): CD011737. We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality (RR 0.96; 95% CI 0.90 to 1.03; 11 trials, 55,858
@carnivore_jt This one is better. It looked at RCTs it also took into account the threshold issue https://t.co/4xENk8aWDM
@EUFIC Evidence from RCTs does not support claims that saturated fat causes heart disease. "We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all‐cause mortality... or cardiovascular mortality" https://t.co/errOHtEmZy
@ketogrillbakery Hooper 2020 was the Cochrane review meta-analysis for RCTs on saturated fat reduction. The Minnesota Coronary Experiment was excluded because the average duration was too short (the inclusion criteria called for 24 months or more) https://t.co/mTKXXW1kf5
@MohammedAlo In the study "Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease" it literally says in the abstract: "We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all-cause mortality or cardiovascular mortality"
Cochrane-katsauksessa havaittiin riskisuhde 0.94 (95% luottamusväli 0.78-1.13, näytön varmuus oli kohtalainen) sydän- ja verisuonitautikuolleisuuden osalta. "Reducing saturated fat intake probably makes little or no difference to cardiovascular mortality." https://t.co/ZskScydbLZ https://t.co/8zxVuvB6mq
@Autonome__ @DraperOr @jeffreyboadi_ It increases your risk of CVD. Not sure why you’d deny that. https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7
@DraperOr @Autonome__ @jeffreyboadi_ It’s linear. https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7
@GardnerPhD @TheGuyititian @catepward Not surprising, RCTs already show that reducing SFA intake lowers LDLc. But so what? RCTs also show "little or no effect of reducing SFA on all‐cause mortality or cardiovascular mortality." https://t.co/APECHv9TFU
RT @theproof: @TotalCytopath The RCTs (when meta-analysed) looking at cvd events support it. Most use very 06 rich oils. https://t.co/QZ2…
RT @theproof: @TotalCytopath The RCTs (when meta-analysed) looking at cvd events support it. Most use very 06 rich oils. https://t.co/QZ2…
@TotalCytopath The RCTs (when meta-analysed) looking at cvd events support it. Most use very 06 rich oils. https://t.co/QZ2xHzrMoo Also the mechanism is supported by observational, genetic and RCT data showing lowering LDL-C = less chd events. https://t.co/Z90lrE1xw6 Evidence showing how
@Yarrahbunjyil @SamaHoole Increased sat fat increases risk of CVD meta analysis
@InquizitiveOne @SBakerMD No, PUFAs don’t negatively impact lipids based on human trials, whereas saturated fat and trans fat does. https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7 Lowering LDL-c saves people from CVD. https://t.co/OdmGB8z6Ic (1/2) https://t.co/8Sj7YkQYqp
@exfatloss @FrogHarmless @Tellit007 “The included long‐term trials suggested that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 17% (risk ratio (RR) 0.83; 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.70 to 0.98 […])” https://t.co/bOFivAgOe7
@alexandruapp @robertlufkinmd @DoctorTro Yes. You can ignore the evidence, or hope to hell, and Taubes might say, that bacon is a health food. Or follow well established science. https://t.co/mgxNdPpfIM
RT @FoodFirst_Ty: @SamaHoole iTs JuSt UnSciEnTiFic. Here, I’ll do what you’re clearly too dumb to do. https://t.co/EVVSn8sBw0 https://t.…
@SamaHoole iTs JuSt UnSciEnTiFic. Here, I’ll do what you’re clearly too dumb to do. https://t.co/EVVSn8sBw0 https://t.co/8p1N7zqwzA https://t.co/fWYqTdrj6x https://t.co/fhZmtvsQtw https://t.co/UctjoCPqJ7 https://t.co/YFmyb7CqaX
@JohnnyCarthief @tsufiboy @MohammedAlo Not really true. Saturated fat increases LDL-C, which increases CVD risk https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7 Intervention studies show lowering LDL-C decreases CVD risk https://t.co/k6fWoCI5Ng Dietary cholesterol does increase LDL-C too, to a certain threshold https://t.co/iGIpYnHmSv
@CarnivoreAureli @BioLayne RCT? https://t.co/Si3toLXMMl
@PlantChompers https://t.co/DAvOQwvo6i And this is with, in my view, studies that shouldn't have been included since they recognized they were multifactorial.
@SamaHoole @michaelhoglund @LowcarbLiberty Not in this one. See your problem is you live in an echo chamber, so you never see these studies. https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
@goldish4812 @LowcarbLiberty @SamaHoole What's about this one then? https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
@SamaHoole Here you go mate, glad I could help. https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
@DennyCr35073144 Here's a proper study, a meta analysis OF RANDOMISED CONTROLLED TRIALS!!!!! Which concludes that getting over 10% of your daily calories from sat fat increases your risk of CVD. https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
@SBakerMD Saturated fat causes CVD. https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7 LDL-c causes CVD. https://t.co/OdmGB8z6Ic Dietary cholesterol raises LDL-c. https://t.co/M1GSYSRKvb High salt causes high BP. https://t.co/lcWuN4nWrR (1/3)
@cdelise @lipo_fan @realDaveFeldman @sonsofmonarchy Whereas saturated fat is actually associated with CVD. https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7
@AlpacaAurelius @bryan_johnson According to a large, Cochrane review, there is a dose-response effect when reducing saturated fat that leads to a lower risk of cardiovascular disease: https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7. 56 ppl need to reduce their saturated fat intake for ~four years for one person to avoid a CVD event.
@AaronBergman18 @ChadNotChud “When we subgrouped according to replacement for SFA, the PUFA replacement group suggested a 21% reduction in cardiovascular events” https://t.co/lROAKiCTzm
@HereticalLipid @MiocanDanijel @theproof According to a large, Cochrane review, there is a dose-response effect when reducing saturated fat that leads to a lower risk of cardiovascular disease: https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7. 56 ppl need to reduce their saturated fat intake for ~four years for one person to avoid a CVD event.
@jmmulet Llevo días pensando en esto. He mirado esto https://t.co/MNoNofBPPr y no me ha impresionado mucho. Hay otros aspectos de la salud relacionados con las grasas saturadas aparte de la salud cardiovascular? A lo mejor estoy buscando mal.
@SBakerMD @4dietaryreform According to a large, Cochrane review, there is a dose-response effect when reducing saturated fat that leads to a lower risk of cardiovascular disease: https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7.
@carnivorepal @CarnivoreDad @SBakerMD 2) SFA increases LDL-c: https://t.co/Q6XlzIq9I7. - “56 people need to reduce their saturated fat intake for ~four years for one person to avoid experiencing a CVD event.”
@carnivorepal @RationalStoic @SBakerMD https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6 This one.
@RationalStoic @carnivorepal @SBakerMD So a population study with 0 controls is better than a study with hundreds of controls, ok bro, you need sleep. Sat fat study...... https://t.co/YWiWFUPKI6
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/lxeZKcSNDk Cochrane warning https://t.co/Dhnksb72ME
3/3 "Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease" https://t.co/ZEs7ouz3kp
@Bossmom808 2/2 or according to Cochrane: "In this review, saturated fat reduction had little or no effect on all-cause or cardiovascular mortality..." "Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease" https://t.co/ZEs7ouz3kp
For example, this meta-analysis looked at 15 randomized controlled trials, totalling 59,000 participants in studies where saturated fat was reduced for at least 2 years. The study found no reduction in deaths, heart attacks or strokes from reducing SF. https://t.co/oELAr6cV44
Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/D9IUQZNpOK @aafp @cochranecollab https://t.co/BHfOcOXwlQ https://t.co/07BkBhULQe
@simplulo @mattyglesias There are a ton of RCTs and metanalyses of RCTs. https://t.co/KvteTuB7cw https://t.co/P3fTKqI0Ef
@ifbacongrewont1 @sciencebyjae That's odd, try this? Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/3xLbPLecys
@TheBrainBattery I think it's well understood that more SFA increase CVD rates. A Cochrane meta analysis of randomized controlled trials showed reduced CVD rate with a reduction of SFA. They also showed a reduction in LDL-C, which could extend lifespan in the long term. https://t.co/97tEa6zrgP https://t.co/rj1zLm9btl
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@isnotsettled ¿Metanálisis de cohortes? El chiste se cuenta solo
@MasalaFry69 @cortneypalm5 @veganzenz Just 1 recent study among many others with similar results ... "reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events." https://t.co/U2pzsfsxfW
@delcastillo0795 @ricardo_perret @DrFrankLipman Best to replace saturated fat with seed oil. https://t.co/pf0VGGcbEI
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/fxDP62ZCbu The review found that cutting down on saturated fat led to a 17% reduction in the risk of cardiovascular disease (including heart disease and strokes), but had little effect on the risk of dying.
RT @agingdoc1: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease (2020) https://t.co/UqpDIGk5f0
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease (2020) https://t.co/UqpDIGk5f0
@kevinnbass RCTs indicate that lowering saturated fat intake for at least 2 years decreases the risk of cardiovascular events. See the relevant Cochran review: https://t.co/ie6KnwOINr
@elidourado Hmm interesting. Hopefully this link works https://t.co/0WrQF2EZsv
59000人分のメタ解析。飽和脂肪酸摂取量を減らすと心血管複合イベント率が2割減る、ただし全死亡率や心血管死に対する影響はない。なお、脳に対する影響は不明。2020年にそんな論文でてたのか。 →→ Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease 2020 https://t.co/NmtLdbt2Hb
@MarcSicard Déjà, rien ne t'y oblige. Ensuite les preuves. Graisses saturées https://t.co/o25viEErf2
What is clear though, is that seed oils are very low in saturated fats, and saturated fats *are* known to be bad for the heart https://t.co/xUGNQxkbyY
For example, this meta-analysis looked at 15 randomized controlled trials, totalling 59,000 participants in studies where saturated fat was reduced for at least 2 years. The study found no reduction in deaths, heart attacks or strokes from reducing SF. https://t.co/oELAr6cV44
@cosmos_mother @kemminnick @OofT74480205 @Khiva1 @Buildbackameri1 @me1stVegan2nd @exispathi @FastMaster001 @shanoawarrior @CarnivoreIs @OliviaL53289925 @Grahanimal @Kizwiz6 @TheAltruist10 @TPoet1973 @Lynnia00721169 @thatwitchyjess7 @andyswarbs @cerebralsymphoy @RoodepoortL @PeachVonT @Son_of_Space @OtherCosmonauta @JoeKerr57254356 @pro13A @bloodflowerburn @hargrump @_Aloominati_ @medicalinguist @KenDBerryMD @SBakerMD I poop once a day. Lay a rope and done. No pushing, zero conspitation or diarrhea. Saturated fat and cholesterol are not nutrients of concern, 5 major meta analyses agree. https://t.co/rBds0mPcva. https://t.co/sNe0lzLwSD. https://t.co/9gR0A65nlJ. https://t.co/VXRHWG73UA.
@woostiii @hearteyedreaper @Malaza36254788 @Kela96_ Please do so. It seems you can teach him something. https://t.co/mXRWi15Puw https://t.co/S5gryTU88s https://t.co/72N7CGLvWs https://t.co/bzfeGrO20i https://t.co/fEAm9OxZVS
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/rtyFzVEvfK
@ConnieS13671946 Hey Connie. Usually we are worried about this when we eat artificial fats or the fat + carbs combo. The latest studies find no association between eating saturated fat and having heart issues. https://t.co/4ge2P2YxZN
A 2015 review includes 15 randomized controlled trials with over 59,000 participants found people who reduced their saturated fat intake were just as likely to die or get heart attacks or strokes, compared with those who ate more saturated fat. https://t.co/v8ApYkaM9w
@tallesmrs @kevinnbass Yes, they have: https://t.co/X8YduLJ1x1 See also the Lyon Diet-Heart Study, not included because there were multiple diet changes.
@tallesmrs Num ECR talvez seja mais interessante estimar o efeito de reduzir ingestão de gordura saturada, como os estudos incluídos nessa revisão https://t.co/PH2pO7akUs
@MauFurion @chillis_dreams Hooper L, Martin N, Abdelhamid A et al. Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2015 Jun; (6):CD011737.
@Veganella_ @The_Nutrivore @MrDiefenbach @LoraJR72 @kirthurgan @FusionProgGuy @waseemkiani @mosca_matthew @MistyMum2 @Parallax9999 @JoeKerr57254356 @OofT74480205 @AnimalJustice6 @cerebralsymphoy @Rev0lvingDoor @ThatTennisVegan @bongxdylan @TheTrueCompton @Grahanimal @_Aloominati_ @NutritionMadeS3 @whsource @BioLayne And this one: Conclusion: People who reduced their saturated fat intake were just as likely to die, or get heart attacks or strokes, compared to those who ate more saturated fat. https://t.co/ytThhguzEu
@ElliottWins @The_Nutrivore @Plant_proof Here ya go, Elliott: Conclusion: People who reduced their saturated fat intake were just as likely to die, or get heart attacks or strokes, compared to those who ate more saturated fat. https://t.co/ytThhguzEu
@biogeek63 @johnmassaro12 @WordsOnIce @mortgageconsult @baddogs4343 https://t.co/G32hGGyxag https://t.co/eS4WeFhf7Q
Taking a more plant based approach with higher fiber may prevent cardiovascular disease. Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - Hooper, L - 2020 | Cochrane Library https://t.co/eN0mS45CjO
RT @whsource: @robkhenderson This argument is a bit of a red herring, since none of the dietary fat modification RCTs were powered for mort…
@robkhenderson This argument is a bit of a red herring, since none of the dietary fat modification RCTs were powered for mortality outcomes. However, fat modification probably does reduce cardiovascular event risk. https://t.co/hmUVPBm84c
RT @KoushikReddyMD: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/LSEdGlChBT
@CarnivoreIs Here's 3 more, 1 is alzheimer's (which is a cardiovascular disease). https://t.co/VH4xQVGdz3 https://t.co/bz65re8peK https://t.co/FYbwhyhXZ6
@nicknorwitz Weird. Link didn’t work. https://t.co/hnOPL87yBC
@physic22 https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
@physic22 https://t.co/b0wI3Yx7bL https://t.co/YFmyb7TtcX https://t.co/R3Vjx4mhtD https://t.co/CnqBLUV3Di
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - Hooper, L - 2020 | Cochrane Library https://t.co/CAXkEgKmP2
RT @The_Nutrivore: @PurelyPrimalAB @angryhacademic @NStevens98 @FoodFirst_Ty Metas that test for non-linearity invariably see the increase…
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RT @KoushikReddyMD: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/LSEdGlChBT
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @drjkahn: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/2RP0qFI69X #kahnchronicle
RT @drjkahn: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/2RP0qFI69X #kahnchronicle
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/2RP0qFI69X #kahnchronicle
@DrNadolsky @DBelardoMD @MichaelAlbertMD @PeterAttiaMD Here's three more. https://t.co/oN3FV0zI5y https://t.co/Xsn3crUYth https://t.co/XICNmsuTVQ
@DietHeartNews Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease May 19,2020 "but greater reduction in saturated fat caused greater reductions in cardiovascular events."
@Tom_Sam_son @MaureenStroud @JeynieJ @StreetSmartRD https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy Knock yourself champ
@MaureenStroud @CamFlechsenhaar @StreetSmartRD Get rekt: https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
RT @NNTonthefly: New NNT→Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. https://t.co/heJ4ZsRw2H
New NNT→Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease. https://t.co/heJ4ZsRw2H
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - PubMed https://t.co/dFxRLR0bmK
RT @Links_Medicus: Systematic review: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease – via @CochraneLibrary https://t.co/9ky…
RT @Links_Medicus: Systematic review: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease – via @CochraneLibrary https://t.co/9ky…
RT @Links_Medicus: Systematic review: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease – via @CochraneLibrary https://t.co/9ky…
RT @Links_Medicus: Systematic review: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease – via @CochraneLibrary https://t.co/9ky…
RT @Links_Medicus: Systematic review: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease – via @CochraneLibrary https://t.co/9ky…
Systematic review: Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease – via @CochraneLibrary https://t.co/9kyETBpw7J Summary: https://t.co/MzFca5GXCA
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/fb2FUNXHAr #nutrition #diet #SFAs #CVD
RT @drjkahn: IMPORTANT!! Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/lxpyBNftvr #kahnchronicle
@Abhay49777480 @ScepticalDoctor @PatrickElliott0 https://t.co/rQsq7PGdmZ https://t.co/k7ef0VEeAl https://t.co/p5Czruz3bA https://t.co/exPwe3EFy8 https://t.co/KPL4yUSSpi https://t.co/79bcMckKsh https://t.co/n0eNs5d5UW Credit: @The_Nutrivore
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
飽和脂肪を減らしても心臓病の予防にならない?! | アメリカ在住 りつこブログ #ブログ #ブログ書け #ブログ初心者 #飽和脂肪 #心臓病 #バター #肉
Comer grasa saturada no aumentará tu probabilidad de morir, sufrir infartos o derrames cerebrales. https://t.co/booN4LLNXy
@PurelyPrimalAB @angryhacademic @NStevens98 @FoodFirst_Ty Metas that test for non-linearity invariably see the increase in CVD risk. https://t.co/L6nu9m6PJI https://t.co/92eU6Nph07 https://t.co/yR8yGNXFZG https://t.co/JSEPy506Zy The relationship is a sigmoidal curve. If not searched for, it is very easily missed.
@PeterFaberSP @Tom_Babington1 @SteakAndIron For SFA: When studies aren’t properly stratified *cough cough* Zoe Haracombe *cough cough*, we find consistent linkage between high SFA and CVD. https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw
@ChristianTams I shared this with him https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
@erandaw1 @smithbrett19 @ChristianTams @ceasrine @garytaubes @bigfatsurprise @ProfTimNoakes @zoeharcombe “Doesn’t exist” https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
@smithbrett19 @ChristianTams @erandaw1 @ceasrine @garytaubes @bigfatsurprise @ProfTimNoakes @zoeharcombe Knock yourself out sunshine. I’ll be your huckleberry.. https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
@CarnivoreAntMan Here, I’ll go first. SFA and CVD https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
@KenDBerryMD @PeterBrukner Cochrane recently reviewed evidence for saturated fat and cardiovascular disease: "Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease" "Reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events" https://t.co/TUN4FgjVEo
@4dietaryreform SFA and CVD: https://t.co/HZxdpCGM3e https://t.co/RbdU70t1JD https://t.co/f875jFdvqE https://t.co/HMZ0NNVmJE https://t.co/SK4FAhw0hw https://t.co/NrVOIBPOso https://t.co/IQ4RwMh7wy
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - Hooper, L - 2020 | Cochrane Library https://t.co/9LAAYxj5nQ
@StolteThiago Credit @The_Nutrivore on this: Replacing saturated fats with vegetable oils decreases CVD mortality in humans: https://t.co/xN8ZCIwvJw https://t.co/mZ8mlrRhAm https://t.co/72Ebe2uQCT https://t.co/UWvilmwdXQ https://t.co/5IaIiMjAet https://t.co/YZ6Wj1NEiZ https://t.co/rGgdOalreH
Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease: 2020 May https://t.co/foKnJoetsM
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease https://t.co/DwEF9ZDfLH
RT @FranciscoCmar10: "Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease" https://t.co/W40qm0ywU2 (Cochrane review) Why isn't the…
“The findings of this updated review suggest that reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events” Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease - PubMed https://t.co/a6WezRbzgd
RT @FranciscoCmar10: "Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease" https://t.co/W40qm0ywU2 (Cochrane review) Why isn't the…
RT @FranciscoCmar10: "Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease" https://t.co/W40qm0ywU2 (Cochrane review) Why isn't the…
"Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease" https://t.co/W40qm0ywU2 (Cochrane review) Why isn't the press jumping all over this one I wonder…@EAllen0417
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
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RT @NanciGuestRDPhD:
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RT @mackinprof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at l…
Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/7tOtX1hv3O reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined CV events
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RT @Plant_proof: Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease - PubMed https://t.co/cezGtTFm86
Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease - PubMed https://t.co/cezGtTFm86
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - Hooper, L - 2020 | Cochrane Library https://t.co/pDf1lbL7Oa
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - Hooper, L - 2020 | Cochrane Library https://t.co/Y3CBBIXPQh
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease - Dietary paradigm kind off seems wrong... https://t.co/9GisT9F2Hz
RT @drjkahn: IMPORTANT!! Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/lxpyBNftvr #kahnchronicle
RT @drjkahn: IMPORTANT!! Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/lxpyBNftvr #kahnchronicle
RT @drjkahn: IMPORTANT!! Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/lxpyBNftvr #kahnchronicle
RT @drjkahn: IMPORTANT!! Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/lxpyBNftvr #kahnchronicle
RT @drjkahn: IMPORTANT!! Reduction in Saturated Fat Intake for Cardiovascular Disease https://t.co/lxpyBNftvr #kahnchronicle
Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease (open access) https://t.co/BGmpkaxQpC #nutrition #diet #SFAs #CVD #atherosclerosis
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