Discussions highlight the critical role of behavior in understanding neural mechanisms, with references to Krakauer et al.'s influential paper and comments stressing that neuroscience should adopt a more holistic and behavior-centric perspective. The tone and word choices, such as 'game changer' and 'correcting a bias,' underscore a collective shift toward valuing behavioral context in scientific inquiry.
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Abstract in brief
The article discusses the advancements in neuroscience tools like genetic targeting and circuit mapping, which are often used within a reductionist approach that seeks to explain behavior solely through individual neural components.
The authors argue that understanding behavior requires a complementary approach that involves detailed analysis of tasks and behaviors to uncover their underlying processes, which should be done before focusing on neural implementation.
They promote a more balanced, pluralistic view of neuroscience, emphasizing that behavioral studies provide foundational understanding of behavior while neural manipulations test causal relationships.
Rereading @blamlab 's "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias" today and decided that everyone could use a reminder that you can't escape philosophy
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Nima
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اگر علاقه مندید در مورد محدودیت های نگرش تقلیل گرایانه و اهمیت مطالعۀ رفتار (به عنوان یک سطح از سیستم) در نوروساینس بیشتر بدونید، مقالۀ زیر رو مطالعه کنید.
https://t.co/7yB9MZWHc3
What does it mean to understand the brain? "...a more pluralistic conception of mechanistic understanding can only help neuroscience" Great paper by Krakauer and Poeppel: Neuroscience needs behavior: Correcting a reductionist bias. Neuron 93, 2016. https://t.co/dBnQOr4q6g
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Daniel P. Moriarity
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Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias by @blamlab, Ghazanfar, Gomez-Marin, Maclver, and @davidpoeppel
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Terry E Robinson
@TerryERobinson1 · X
@SergeAhmed @yael_niv Related to this, one of a series of slides I often use. Quote at bottom from Krakauer et al., Neuroscience needs behavior: correcting a reductionist bias, Neuron, 2017. https://t.co/htr8mam3ET
Oct 26, 2020 · 13 likes · 2 shares · 1,165 followersView post →
We explore why we have a brain, how it develops, and its essential functions. The video also discusses misconceptions, neural connectivity, and the importance of behavior in understanding brain activity for a…
Join Dr. John Krakauer as he discusses innovative approaches in neuroscience that challenge traditional methods, emphasizing the importance of integrating behavior analysis with neural research to better understand…
Movement → Skill → Behavior
We often isolate skill and work outward toward movement & behavior. But this can limit our ability to grasp the fundamental principles of movement—how they shape skill and, together, form behavior.
Fig: https://t.co/JBbSUO5BX5 https://t.co/AIltjOxHH1
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neuropoesis rebooting
@neuropoetic · X
@patrickmineault Either https://t.co/iZH2P6Cgy4 by Krakauer or Love’s https://t.co/ulYcZeaXbB on the top of my head.
Curious about what others share! Glad to see there’s still love for Marr.
The way I sometimes explain it:
Imperative / problem
Organisation of dynamics and structure
Physics.
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Carlos E Alvarez
@CarlosEAlvare17 · X
@DoctorZen @neuroecology @yael_niv Ref above, https://t.co/Q3qpqdEjzg
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Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias; 2017; Krakauer JW, Ghazanfar AA, Gomez-Marin A, MacIver MA, Poeppel D. Neuron 93:480-490. https://t.co/3pd3H1NG7r
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18) Krakauer et al. (2017). Data scientific methodological "habits" in neuroscience tend to overshadow some very important aspects of the subject matter at hand, behaviour and environment.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28182904/
Sure. When neural circuits are used to explain sound localization (& other behaviors), when network connectivity explains pathological outcomes, & when phobias (eg. arachnophobia) are explained/addressed w exposure variables (in cognitive behavior therapy).
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28182904/
اگر علاقه مندید در مورد محدودیت های نگرش تقلیل گرایانه و اهمیت مطالعۀ رفتار (به عنوان یک سطح از سیستم) در نوروساینس بیشتر بدونید، مقالۀ زیر رو مطالعه کنید.
https://t.co/7yB9MZWHc3
@elvandy1515 We certainly need to be aware of the ecological validity but it does not imply that the reductionism approach is less valuable. https://t.co/Qs5PPvzLW5
Mar 30, 2023 · 1 like · 1,201 followersView post →
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Brayan
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Previous discussions have stated that it is necessary to conduct an independent and detailed study of the behavior before characterizing the neural basis of behavior. Such as in Krakauer et al., 2017. 12/
Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias by @blamlab, Ghazanfar, Gomez-Marin, Maclver, and @davidpoeppel
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okenia
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@jsauce7 @StearnsLab John Krakauer did a very provocative piece in Neuron a few years back which ruffled, quite rightly, a few feathers.
https://t.co/wGRMLHHAfs
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Javier Gómez-Lavín
@jgomezlavin · X
Though seemingly scandalous, it's in line with what others have recently argued re. strengthening the links between neuroscience and behavior (e.g. @blamlab 's take https://t.co/8JfSDeOfWu) 5
@TonyZador @criticalneuro @gershbrain Agree, but neuroscience has its own challenges:
"Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias" https://t.co/UCQzohF3ES
"The Life of Behavior" https://t.co/6SHA2KrQMM
"A clash of umwelts: Anthropomorphism in behavioral neuroscience" https://t.co/k9NOXSVb0R
Just Read: Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias
I love the argument the author makes about how we are uncomfortable with the incompleteness in our understanding of behavior. What does it really mean to understand a behavior?
Link: https://t.co/qcxEeHblSC
RT @BMtHart: @StePalminteri Quite the contrary: brain without behavior is bullshit. https://t.co/olRVfwKnZF @blamlab
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Marius 't Hart
@BMtHart · X
@StePalminteri Quite the contrary: brain without behavior is bullshit. https://t.co/olRVfwKnZF @blamlab
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david robbe
@dav_robbe · X
@StePalminteri It is amazing that in such a great institute as yours, a program manager (!) has such a low level of understanding of the brain/behavior relation. Another good paper showing how one can understand behavior mechanistically without looking in the brain is
https://t.co/NqcO6LOluj
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david robbe
@dav_robbe · X
17. I am wondering if the idea that brains tell time is not an archetypical form of confusion between Marr’s implementation and algorithmic levels. Would love to hear @blamlab about that based on https://t.co/5IdUWVCSb6
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Prof. Narender Ramnani
@n_ramnani · X
@blamlab John Krakauer et al. (2017)
"...there is no escape from philosophy. Every scientist takes a philosophical position, either tacitly or explicitly, whenever they state that a result is 'important', 'fundamental,' or 'interesting'...."
https://t.co/skvupLgpw6
The field of neuroscience needs to focus on a behavior-centric view of studying neural circuitry in order to gain a holistic understanding of the brain.
A brain in a vat's a tad less cool.
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https://t.co/i3DQGmy8bm https://t.co/M1G8JSd7Wk
@jaime_faure Creo que están en ello. A veces me parece importante diferenciar la neurociencia cognitiva, de la neuropsicología (que sería cognitiva por definición). La NPS si tiene en cuenta la conducta o comportamiento y la neurociencia a veces la olvida https://t.co/Ma86pD6EB0
@awaisaftab Not about explicitly about psychopathology per se, but this is one my favorite recent theory papers in neuroscience:
https://t.co/VIB2XCGJn5
"Understanding something is not the same as just describing it or knowing how to intervene to change it.", Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias. #MachineLearning
https://t.co/JVGx5FHqyi https://t.co/156j5b7BqX
RT @PeppeGanga: Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias https://t.co/iE0KIgBawR
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Giuseppe Gangarossa
@PeppeGanga · X
Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias https://t.co/iE0KIgBawR
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Yohan J. John
@DrYohanJohn · X
@personalitygeni @_fernando_rosas @eboychile Also the original comment I made was half-joking since there are still Skinnerians out there, and in some ways the cognitive revolution did not live up to its promise.
Papers like this may represent a much-needed dialectical synthesis.
https://t.co/GNCq9GMvr5
18) Krakauer et al. (2017). Data scientific methodological "habits" in neuroscience tend to overshadow some very important aspects of the subject matter at hand, behaviour and environment.
https://t.co/asvTtvvbWv
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lilKay
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@parsamtwt @Vivamous_mori https://t.co/UV4RvBK3JH
اینو اگه ندیدی یه نکاه بنداز، اون سه تا مرحلهی مار رو بجور. خیلیا میگن اصن شما تو آزمایشگاه هرکار کنی تهش به درد سگ نمیخوره چون «برا فهمیدن اینکه پرنده چجوری پرواز میکنه دارین پر رو زیر میکروسکوپ چک میکنین» ما اونجوری نیستیم دیگه ولی از اونا میخوای تو =))
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jjsutachan
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RT @shnakazawa: An important perspective to ask "how does the brain generate behavior" or "what is a mechanism for the behavior." | Neurosc…
An important perspective to ask "how does the brain generate behavior" or "what is a mechanism for the behavior." | Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias https://t.co/xqBBR0zYVF
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Shelly Flagel
@Flagel_Lab · X
RT @TerryERobinson1: @SergeAhmed @yael_niv Related to this, one of a series of slides I often use. Quote at bottom from Krakauer et al., Ne…
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SergeAhmed
@SergeAhmed · X
RT @TerryERobinson1: @SergeAhmed @yael_niv Related to this, one of a series of slides I often use. Quote at bottom from Krakauer et al., Ne…
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Terry E Robinson
@TerryERobinson1 · X
@SergeAhmed @yael_niv Related to this, one of a series of slides I often use. Quote at bottom from Krakauer et al., Neuroscience needs behavior: correcting a reductionist bias, Neuron, 2017. https://t.co/htr8mam3ET
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Yuma Kajihara
@yumakajihara · X
RT @CarlosEAlvare17: This was addressed nicely for neuroscience (cited >500 times, so far 110 times in 2020): Neuroscience Needs Behavior:…
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@blamlab @criticalneuro @JCSkewesDK @bradpwyble @shengokai @IrisVanRooij @neuro_data @tyrell_turing @BernhardHommel @FelixHill84 @santoroAI Incidentally, cites @blamlab paper https://t.co/HA3i9C8vPY . So let's not dismiss the sensorimotorists because they deprioritize representation. Instead, we should acknowledge they were right all this time in their emphasis on process.
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This was addressed nicely (cited >500 times, so far 110 times in 2020): Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias; 2017; Krakauer JW, Ghazanfar AA, Gomez-Marin A, MacIver MA, Poeppel D. Neuron 93:480-490. https://t.co/FomRKZwKux https://t.co/Xr53EaI519
Just discovered this old paper on reductionism in neuroscience. There is a huge bias towards trying to break down scientific problems into units, rather than trying to understand them holistically.
Really an incredible paper, even for non-neuroscientists.
https://t.co/8llf0xqM5K
This was addressed nicely for neuroscience (cited >500 times, so far 110 times in 2020): Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias; 2017; Krakauer JW, Ghazanfar AA, Gomez-Marin A, MacIver MA, Poeppel D. Neuron 93:480-490. https://t.co/3pd3H1NG7r https://t.co/BWQJBxeh6p https://t.co/d0kBwklvH5
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Daniel Ruiz Aguirre
@JDRuizAguirre · X
RT @jmmgazquez: @george_owens @IreneFPinto @lidacboom @edgar8_24 @Neurathena Como dirían Bunge y Ardila 'definamos aprendizaje'. Otro debat…
@george_owens @IreneFPinto @lidacboom @edgar8_24 @Neurathena Como dirían Bunge y Ardila 'definamos aprendizaje'. Otro debate es posible también y agradezco el hilo, muy interesante todo lo que habéis puesto. Que tengáis un buen fin de semana.
https://t.co/OeFzlHXlyI
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Cesar Coelho
@coelho_cao · X
@PessoaBrain The state of the Art reviews for me about how neuroscience has been just neglecting behavior are https://t.co/yckBiYV6xt
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https://t.co/wxlxhHVPQo
もうひとつのネタ元はKrakauer et al Neuron 2017 "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias" https://t.co/piVnqkH9P9 なんだけど、つい先日@shokou5 さんが言及してたここで、神経科学者が使う脳の操作で行動への介入ができることは、マーの意味ではhttps://t.co/Oz51MHwiIg
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Johan van der Meer
@jnvandermeer · X
RT @fMRI_today: What does it mean to understand the brain? "...a more pluralistic conception of mechanistic understanding can only help neu…
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Danna Pinto
@DannaSPinto · X
RT @fMRI_today: What does it mean to understand the brain? "...a more pluralistic conception of mechanistic understanding can only help neu…
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Xiangbin Teng
@TengXB · X
RT @fMRI_today: What does it mean to understand the brain? "...a more pluralistic conception of mechanistic understanding can only help neu…
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John W. Krakauer
@blamlab · X
RT @fMRI_today: What does it mean to understand the brain? "...a more pluralistic conception of mechanistic understanding can only help neu…
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Ray Norbury
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Peter
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あるく
@ayumu_tomaru · X
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iBraiN Inserm Lab
@iBrain_Inserm · X
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Peter Bandettini
@fMRI_today · X
What does it mean to understand the brain? "...a more pluralistic conception of mechanistic understanding can only help neuroscience" Great paper by Krakauer and Poeppel: Neuroscience needs behavior: Correcting a reductionist bias. Neuron 93, 2016. https://t.co/dBnQOr4q6g
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Joseph Athorbei
@JphAthorbei · X
RT @tsonj: Rereading @blamlab 's "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias" today and decided that everyone could use a…
Rereading @blamlab 's "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias" today and decided that everyone could use a reminder that you can't escape philosophy
@JulioMTNeuro @bradpwyble @dileeplearning @TvanKerkoerle It sounds like you both agree- I think Brad is getting at the point that to better understand neural activity we need to better understand the behaviour it (maybe) produces.
A la https://t.co/ypOMl6aP7O
Then Krakauer et al, 'Neuroscience needs behavior: correcting a reductionist bias' (a very true paper that I think creates space an ecological neuroscience should fill) https://t.co/WcT5PNVtMo
@neuroecology Awesome, thank you! I would add two Neuron's papers: "Toward a Science of Computational Ethology" (2014) and "Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias" (2017). Both are open access.
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A Master of Spin
@You_re_Joking · X
Neuroscience Needs Behavior: Correcting a Reductionist Bias - ScienceDirect https://t.co/bKdk6N5hdn
@JhendersonIMB Once done with Marr, the neuroscience-interested reader will enjoy Krakauer, J. W., Ghazanfar, A. A., Gomez-Marin, A., MacIver, M. A., & Poeppel, D. (2017). Neuroscience needs behavior: correcting a reductionist bias. Neuron, 93(3), 480-490.
@davidpoeppel argued for a push towards thinking about hypotheses that would link representational/conceptual details of a mechanism to the implementational details by specifying algorithmic details. (see: the cool example of sound localization; https://t.co/UoREh1xPTT) https://t.co/J1Q2hx6zkR
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Carlos Pérez-Serrano
@Carlos_PSR · X
(...) another equally important approach seeks an
alternative form of understanding through careful theoretical and experimental decomposition of behavior (...) behavioral work provides understanding, whereas neural interventions test causality. https://t.co/pWIx3BbCKe