Overall, the discussions reflect strong support and active engagement, with examples such as multiple mentions of 'multiscale integration' as a key framework, and comments about the paper's influence on debates about internalism and externalism, illustrating how wording such as 'great work,' 'must read,' and 'opens new perspectives' conveys both enthusiasm and perceived significance.
AgreementModerate agreement
Most discussions highlight support and appreciation for the article, emphasizing its relevance and connections to ongoing research on multiscale integration and cognitive boundaries.
InterestHigh interest
Thanks to mentions of open access publications, upcoming discussions, and references to foundational theories, the discussions demonstrate high curiosity and engagement with the subject.
EngagementHigh engagement
Many posts delve into specific concepts like the Markov blanket, variational principles, and implications across disciplines, showing deep involvement in the topic.
ImpactModerate impact
The discussions include praise for the paper’s significance, its influence on ongoing debates, and calls for broader dissemination, indicating a moderate level of impact within the academic and philosophical communities.
Abstract in brief
The article proposes a multiscale integrationist view of cognitive boundaries using the Markov blanket formalism, aiming to bridge debates between internalist and externalist perspectives.
It suggests that internal and external states of a cognitive system can be statistically separated yet still dynamically integrated across multiple levels, depending on the research focus.
The approach emphasizes that the boundaries of cognition are context-dependent and should be understood through a flexible, multiscale framework that guides investigation across disciplines.
Extremely pleased to see such great and creative work, which builds on the account of nested selfhood that we propose in our paper "Multiscale integration: Beyond internalism and externalism." The paper addresses symbiotic selves under the free-energy principle. Must read! https://t.co/FV6bxPZhBx
New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Issue on Radical Views on Cognition.
"Multiscale Integration: Beyond Internalism and Externalism"
https://t.co/SQL1vN58hw
Jan 24, 2019 · 20 likes · 9 shares · 5,230 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
Following up on yesterday's awesome discussion. What do you think of this idea: the Markov blanket x generative model construct is both epistemological and ontological. I'm trying to find a third way between realism and anti-realism
Argument is here:
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto 1/6
Aug 16, 2019 · 17 likes · 5 shares · 5,230 followersView post →
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q(Alex Kiefer | everything else)
@exilefaker · X
Joining @mjdramstead @InferenceActive (+others?) on the team_comm open podcast this morning @ 10 to discuss "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism" -- should be fun! https://t.co/szmpyORt19
Multiscale Integration: beyond Internalism and Externalism https://t.co/4Ma2en3rP1 https://t.co/9dqJo7mREa
Feb 22, 2019 · 13 likes · 2 shares · 8,540 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
Awesome discussion on the team_comm podcast @InferenceActive! This episode sets the stage for our open podcast discussion. Really looking forward to team_comm 5.1 next Tuesday 29 September, on "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"!
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto https://t.co/ZWaskBZ6qo
Journal club discussion of Ramstead et al 2019 on multiscale cognitive integration using the Markov blanket formalism to bridge internalist and externalist perspectives, emphasizing flexible, context-dependent…
Contextualizing discussion of the upcoming journal club discussion on Ramstead et al 2019 Multiscale integration beyond internalism and externalism. The article proposes a multiscale integrationist view of cognitive…
Followup journal club discussion of the article Ramstead et al 2019 Multiscale integration beyond internalism and externalism. The article proposes a multiscale integrationist view of cognitive boundaries using the…
@HusbandOfLuck @AntonellaTrama3 Yes very related! Their abstract sounds very reasonable and reminds me of this paper - https://t.co/V9SEoGjkJt from @mjdramstead
Jan 11, 2024 · 2 likes · 36,573 followersView post →
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Burny - Effective Curiosity
@burny_tech · X
RT @neuropoetic: @PsychScientists Yeah see for example one of Maxwell Ramstead’s earliest papers:
https://t.co/4GuUc7adz7
Ps enjoy seeing…
@PsychScientists Yeah see for example one of Maxwell Ramstead’s earliest papers:
https://t.co/4GuUc7adz7
Ps enjoy seeing you becoming more open minded towards FEP-AI
@dataengines @NoahGuzman14 @WiktorRorot Fair question. I’d point to the multi-scaleness of the free energy principle formulation: hyperparameters of densities at one scale are set by dynamics at superordinate scales, see e.g.: https://t.co/ILYug1c04O or https://t.co/5DJfFo0Mko
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NoColonialAnticolonial
@ArticlesOfBio · X
@MahaultAlbarra1 @BillardVincent @nonod971 @oakpope @wufert @Melanie_Vogel_ Plus spécifiquement avec Pierre Poirier, même si l'article sur l'approche variationnelle des scripts est tout aussi bon (j'avais juste un problème avec les parties internalisme/externalisme dont j'ai eu quelques réponses ici : https://t.co/USIC2eJbaU)
@jeremy_royaux @3smog J'ai parlé de la dépression. La dépendance n'est pas une maladie pour d'autres raisons, valable aussi dans le débat "internaliste-externaliste" https://t.co/dSUWWXQPIH
RT @AndyFiloScience: A integração multiescala pode ser aplicada a uma colônia para determinar se ela é um sistema cognitivo?
https://t.co/…
Oct 23, 2020 · 1 share · 1,199 followersView post →
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Anderson Fonseca
@AndydeFonseca · X
A integração multiescala pode ser aplicada a uma colônia para determinar se ela é um sistema cognitivo?
https://t.co/mTdICq4hQH
Oct 23, 2020 · 3 likes · 1 share · 317 followersView post →
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Michael David Kirchhoff
@MdKirchhoff · X
@mjdramstead @KathrynNave We also consider operational closure under the FEP in this relatively recent paper: https://t.co/wWrdPuEzvP and we touch on it here as well: https://t.co/dUqyiSSnhi
Oct 13, 2020 · 5 likes · 2,723 followersView post →
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Alex Vyatkin
@actinfer · X
RT @InferenceActive: Hello, here is a solo contextualization of some big #Philosophy of #Science topics, and how they relate to #ActiveInfe…
Joining @mjdramstead @InferenceActive (+others?) on the team_comm open podcast this morning @ 10 to discuss "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism" -- should be fun! https://t.co/szmpyORt19
Please consider joining us tomorrow (Tuesday 29 September) on the team_comm open podcast to discuss "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism," especially if you identify as women or as a racialized person
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
DM @InferenceActive to join :)
Awesome discussion on the team_comm podcast @InferenceActive! This episode sets the stage for our open podcast discussion. Really looking forward to team_comm 5.1 next Tuesday 29 September, on "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"!
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto https://t.co/ZWaskBZ6qo
Hello, here is a solo contextualization of some big #Philosophy of #Science topics, and how they relate to #ActiveInference & #FEP https://t.co/bXeaySQSXZ , specifically the paper of @mjdramstead @ConstantAxel @MdKirchhoff from 2019 which we will discuss in ActInf Stream #5.1
Extremely pleased to see such great and creative work, which builds on the account of nested selfhood that we propose in our paper "Multiscale integration: Beyond internalism and externalism." The paper addresses symbiotic selves under the free-energy principle. Must read! https://t.co/FV6bxPZhBx
Our next 6 weeks will be covering 3 exciting papers, and we are announcing them now so you have time to read & digest the ides:
Sept 29th = 5.1 "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism", 2019 https://t.co/AszivKfCXr
Oct. 6th = 5.2 builds on 5.1
4/5
@adamimos @InferenceActive @ineshipolito @bayesianboy Oh also, this is a companion philosophical paper that unpacks the implications of our variational approach to niche construction and ecology for the debates over internalism and externalism
"Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
Aug 24, 2020 · 3 likes · 5,230 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
@NeuroYogacara @rudzinskimaciej @StephenSillett FWIW, we make the argument about multiscale integration via policy selection in these papers:
"Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"
https://t.co/ILYug1c04O
"Variational ecology and the physics of sentient systems"
https://t.co/fCpKSxfg7V
3/2 lol
Aug 3, 2020 · 2 likes · 5,230 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
@_SalvorHardin @manuelbaltieri @_fernando_rosas @exilefaker @danijarh @conorheins @anilkseth @a_tschantz @drclbuckley @casper_hesp @lancelotdacosta @KaiUeltzhoeffer @GaneshNatesh @marcolin91 @jkbren @FranzKuchling @SantoshManicka @drmichaellevin Mine is here:
"A tale of two densities"
https://t.co/eNT2b1Bfz9
"Multiscale integration"
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
"Variational ecology and the physics of sentient systems"
https://t.co/EONNEjn70Q
"Is the free-energy principle a formal theory of semantics?"
https://t.co/6U1iCqZ9Xo
@IntuitMachine @SurviveThrive2 @StephenSillett @ineshipolito @manuelbaltieri 3. Autopoiesis:
“Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism”
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
“Where There is Life There is Mind”
https://t.co/rVVQFBQueQ
"The Markov blankets of life: autonomy, active inference and the free energy principle"
https://t.co/itHc4E7Fts
@metadiogenes "Answering Schrödinger's question: A free-energy formulation"
https://t.co/rB9P5JSkPI
"Variational ecology and the physics of sentient systems"
https://t.co/fCpKSxwRwv
"Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto 1/2
Jul 16, 2020 · 1 like · 5,230 followersView post →
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De myth ology
@kevinmcld · X
RT @mjdramstead: @GaneshNatesh Yes, I think so. I have a paper about this "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism." We…
@GaneshNatesh Yes, I think so. I have a paper about this "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism." We argue that the boundaries of cognitive systems are multiple and nested, and that the relevant ones are relative to one's explanatory interest
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
@NoahGuzman14 "Variational ecology and the physics of sentient systems"
https://t.co/fCpKSxwRwv
"Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"
"https://t.co/ILYug1tBto"
Also see
"Sentience and the Origins of Consciousness"
https://t.co/uMjZsvBcgq 3/n
Jun 16, 2020 · 3 likes · 5,230 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
@gwenthomasdgi @twillierod @StephenSillett @ineshipolito @anjalibhat92 @dimitrisbolis @leoschilbach @sandervdc @ConstantAxel For a general, philosophically motivated take on the free-energy principle applied beyond the brain, I think my most accessible piece is "Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
P.S. All my publications are open access, no paywall :)
Jun 7, 2020 · 3 likes · 5,230 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
@neuropoetic @C_Allefeld @neurobongo @MGrrrls Yes, you have :) Thanks again so much.
I think this is my most accessible piece and one of the easier ways into the free-energy principle literature
"Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism"
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
Jun 3, 2020 · 3 likes · 5,230 followersView post →
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Rob Levy TESCREAL/ACC
@rplevy · X
RT @neuropoetic: @tim_elmo @rplevy I see... Well, it's time for me to do that "instead ramstead:
So, for people like you who care about th…
@tim_elmo @rplevy I see... Well, it's time for me to do that "instead ramstead:
So, for people like you who care about the philosophical nuances that you _won't_ find in Karl (not to be mean, it's just not his thing or priority), you should instead read @mjdramstead !
https://t.co/4GuUc79FJz
@MarkMJames @PsychScientists @bayesianboy 3. Ramstead, M. J. D., Kirchhoff, M. D., Constant, A., & Friston, K. J. (In press; online 2019). Multiscale integration: Beyond internalism and externalism. Synthese. https://t.co/yI4jIbKCdW (3/4)
@freerecall @EPoe187 @erikphoel edit: The development of my personal views was initiated by reading Erik Hoel's work, but there's lots of other cool stuff that impacted me afterwards.
Strongly recommend these two works to bridge bio -> cogneuro
https://t.co/4GuUc79FJz
https://t.co/eCPnZJS4pk
RT @mjdramstead: Following up on yesterday's awesome discussion. What do you think of this idea: the Markov blanket x generative model cons…
Aug 16, 2019 · 5 shares · 48,361 followersView post →
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Brennan Klein
@jkbren · X
RT @mjdramstead: Following up on yesterday's awesome discussion. What do you think of this idea: the Markov blanket x generative model cons…
Aug 16, 2019 · 5 shares · 3,000 followersView post →
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David Vanegas
@evolanguagemind · X
RT @mjdramstead: Following up on yesterday's awesome discussion. What do you think of this idea: the Markov blanket x generative model cons…
Aug 16, 2019 · 5 shares · 1,476 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
Following up on yesterday's awesome discussion. What do you think of this idea: the Markov blanket x generative model construct is both epistemological and ontological. I'm trying to find a third way between realism and anti-realism
Argument is here:
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto 1/6
Aug 16, 2019 · 17 likes · 5 shares · 5,230 followersView post →
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Dataemia
@Dataemia · X
Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism - https://t.co/TcZD6ADzVx
@hardmaru Obligatory multiscale integration mention! Internal-external distinctions are blurry and context/goal-sensitive but @mjdramstead probably can find a better way to connect with this :D
https://t.co/4GuUc79FJz
May 30, 2019 · 1 share · 2,612 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
@distributedcog @Valar_Festivus @joe_dewhurst @danwilliamsphil @wrwveit also see:
Korbak @tomekkorbak, "Computational enactivism under the free energy principle"
https://t.co/xSgoiLt0M3
Ramstead et al. "Multiscale integration"
https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
Ramstead et al. "Variational ecology"
https://t.co/OpePGuIFgp
1/2
May 30, 2019 · 6 likes · 1 share · 5,230 followersView post →
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Caretaker
@depistemology · X
RT @marcolin91: @theblub @PabloRedux @eripsa @WiringTheBrain @jjfahrenfort @ProfFeynman @JamesGleick @fluffycyborg Or course I find myself…
May 23, 2019 · 2 shares · 393 followersView post →
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Paul Harland
@PabloRedux · X
RT @marcolin91: @theblub @PabloRedux @eripsa @WiringTheBrain @jjfahrenfort @ProfFeynman @JamesGleick @fluffycyborg Or course I find myself…
May 19, 2019 · 2 shares · 2,139 followersView post →
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Marco lin
@MarcoLinSight · X
@theblub @PabloRedux @eripsa @WiringTheBrain @jjfahrenfort @ProfFeynman @JamesGleick @fluffycyborg Or course I find myself mentioning multiscale integration and @mjdramstead
May 19, 2019 · 2 likes · 2 shares · 1,149 followersView post →
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Marco lin
@MarcoLinSight · X
@joe_dewhurst @theblub @ancopeeters @IrisVanRooij @eripsa Obligatory @mjdramstead mention and multiscale integration paper
https://t.co/jLRGjSEIWF
Someone please make a bot for dropping this in any int/ext debate
May 15, 2019 · 3 likes · 2 shares · 1,149 followersView post →
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Casper Hesp
@casper_hesp · X
@distributedcog @neuroconscience @eripsa @mjdramstead @evantthompson @a_tschantz @micahgallen @seanmcarroll @the_mindwanders @HaymanG Enactivism has always been part&parcel of the foundations of active inference. Then again, so has internalism! Internal models emerge and have meaning only in our full coupling to the external world. See @mjdramstead 's new paper on multiscale integration https://t.co/eM5THe0owb
May 8, 2019 · 3 likes · 1,635 followersView post →
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Marco lin
@MarcoLinSight · X
@davidarredondo @RealtimeAI @ToKTeacher @Crit_Rat @reasonisfun @cognazor I did touch on that but didn't expand on it, with "fuzzy, multi-level". https://t.co/rbVGigzVXt
Here's a lucid account of the same view on this matter by some very lovely folks:
https://t.co/jLRGjSEIWF
Mar 11, 2019 · 1 like · 1,149 followersView post →
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eripsa (professional robot)
@eripsa · X
RT @mjdramstead: @eripsa @marcolin91 @joe_dewhurst @IrisVanRooij @theblub @ConstantAxel Interesting discussion. I deeply agree that the res…
Mar 10, 2019 · 3 shares · 2,612 followersView post →
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Eros Carvalho
@filosofemas · X
RT @mjdramstead: @eripsa @marcolin91 @joe_dewhurst @IrisVanRooij @theblub @ConstantAxel Interesting discussion. I deeply agree that the res…
Mar 10, 2019 · 3 shares · 3,170 followersView post →
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Iris van Rooij
@IrisVanRooij · X
RT @mjdramstead: @eripsa @marcolin91 @joe_dewhurst @IrisVanRooij @theblub @ConstantAxel Interesting discussion. I deeply agree that the res…
Mar 10, 2019 · 3 shares · 11,809 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
@eripsa @marcolin91 @joe_dewhurst @IrisVanRooij @theblub @ConstantAxel Interesting discussion. I deeply agree that the resources of classical enactivism may be insufficient. Thankfully, there are other variants. Here's the open access version of our new compromise position, via Bayesian enactivism: https://t.co/ILYug1tBto
Mar 10, 2019 · 10 likes · 3 shares · 5,230 followersView post →
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Born Free
@defYenLight · X
Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism https://t.co/VLEqRjBU7G
@Scienc3 @introspection @ConstantAxel @FarlKriston Thanks :) We're quite pleased with the paper - and it's open access courtesy of the Wellcome Trust, so it can be shared far and wide - for free!
https://t.co/O5Ju3Pd007
Feb 22, 2019 · 1 like · 5,230 followersView post →
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Leonhard Schilbach
@leoschilbach · X
RT @introspection: Multiscale Integration: beyond Internalism and Externalism https://t.co/4Ma2en3rP1 https://t.co/9dqJo7mREa
Feb 22, 2019 · 2 shares · 6,749 followersView post →
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Guillaume Dumas
@introspection · X
Multiscale Integration: beyond Internalism and Externalism https://t.co/4Ma2en3rP1 https://t.co/9dqJo7mREa
Feb 22, 2019 · 13 likes · 2 shares · 8,540 followersView post →
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PhilSci-Archive
@PhilSciArchive · X
Multiscale Integration: Beyond Internalism and Externalism https://t.co/Zrebl1uKZp
Jan 29, 2019 · 3 likes · 4,221 followersView post →
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Axel Constant
@ConstantAxel · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 27, 2019 · 9 shares · 628 followersView post →
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Designed Mind 2017
@designedmind17 · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 25, 2019 · 9 shares · 234 followersView post →
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Andrew Corcoran
@mr_corcorana · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 24, 2019 · 9 shares · 1,072 followersView post →
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Cecily Whiteley
@cecilymwhiteley · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 24, 2019 · 9 shares · 8,091 followersView post →
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* Checks Notes, Shakes Head *
@balicea1 · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 24, 2019 · 9 shares · 410 followersView post →
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Brennan Klein
@jkbren · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 24, 2019 · 9 shares · 3,000 followersView post →
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Jakob Hohwy
@hohwy · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 24, 2019 · 9 shares · 4,665 followersView post →
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Alec Tschantz
@a_tschantz · X
RT @mjdramstead: New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Is…
Jan 24, 2019 · 9 shares · 1,448 followersView post →
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Maxwell Ramstead
@mjdramstead · X
New paper accepted with Michael Kirchhoff, @ConstantAxel, and @FarlKriston at Synthese. Contribution to the new Special Issue on Radical Views on Cognition.
"Multiscale Integration: Beyond Internalism and Externalism"
https://t.co/SQL1vN58hw
Jan 24, 2019 · 20 likes · 9 shares · 5,230 followersView post →
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