J Math Biol April 2024 PMID 38568223

Back to the fundamentals: a reply to Basener and Sanford 2018.

Zachary B Hancock, Daniel Stern Cardinale

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The discussions demonstrate strong agreement, with participants praising the paper as a definitive refutation of creationist claims, using phrases like 'directly refuted' and 'debunk.' The tone is enthusiastic and confident, reflecting high interest and perceived importance, especially with mentions of live breakdowns and sharing of the paper's links to emphasize the paper's influence on ongoing debates.

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Most discussions strongly support the paper, emphasizing its success in refuting creationist critiques of Fisher's theorem.

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The discussion highlights the publication's significance in advancing scientific debates and countering creationist misinformation.

Abstract in brief

  • The text discusses the history and interpretation of Fisher's fundamental theorem of natural selection, highlighting how its understanding has evolved since 1930 and clarifying that it is a general theorem applicable to any evolving population.
  • The authors refute Basener and Sanford's critique, arguing that they misrepresented the theorem by overlooking its implicit inclusion of genetic variation and mutational effects, and by producing unrealistic simulation results.
  • The authors suggest that Basener and Sanford's criticisms may have been motivated by an intention to undermine the concept of universal common descent, rather than just critiquing Fisher's theorem itself.]

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Hey I wonder if any creationists are going to respond to the direct refutations of one of their few peer-reviewed papers, or if they're just gonna take the L. What do you think, @zachbbionerd? https://t.co/QFzq92mxFs

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Cat's out of the bag, @zachbbionerd and I co-authored a paper directly refuting Basener and Sanford (2018) on Fisher's fundamental theorem or natural selection. And it's also a direct refutation of silly "genetic entropy"! https://t.co/4CD1aOTXx3

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TONIGHT: Dr. Zach Hancock (@zachbbionerd) breaks down the math of our new paper in the Journal of Mathematical Biology, which refutes Basener and Sanford (2018), and shows that "genetic entropy" is nonsense. 8pm Eastern, April 9th, 2024. https://t.co/2uxzwPjgU7

Apr 9, 2024 · 15 likes · 6 shares · 731 followers View post →
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Back to the fundamentals: a reply to Basener and Sanford 2018 https://t.co/6bXDzd7aTS https://t.co/kiW17z1fzO

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Hey I wonder if any creationists are going to respond to the direct refutations of one of their few peer-reviewed papers, or if they're just gonna take the L. What do you think, @zachbbionerd? https://t.co/QFzq92mxFs

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@zachbbionerd And, highly recommended, here's a detailed breakdown of the math from @zachbbionerd: https://t.co/LZsG3K0hQw

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@zachbbionerd Here's the paper itself: https://t.co/4CD1aOTXx3

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Want to understand the paper @zachbbionerd and I wrote refuting a 2018 creationist paper (a legit peer reviewed paper!)? Here's a breakdown: https://t.co/QFzq92lZPU

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@zachbbionerd Remember, lit review, live, April 24th, 9pm eastern: https://t.co/QFzq92lZPU

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Back to the fundamentals: a reply to Basener and Sanford 2018 https://t.co/6bXDzd7aTS https://t.co/kiW17z1fzO

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The following week, April 24th, 2024, literature review with @zachbbionerd going over our new paper in the Journal of Mathematical Biology: https://t.co/QFzq92lZPU This is a direct response and refutation to Basener and Sanford (2018).

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TONIGHT: Dr. Zach Hancock (@zachbbionerd) breaks down the math of our new paper in the Journal of Mathematical Biology, which refutes Basener and Sanford (2018), and shows that "genetic entropy" is nonsense. 8pm Eastern, April 9th, 2024. https://t.co/2uxzwPjgU7

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"Thus, we’ve added nothing additional to the understanding of Fisher’s theorem; in this way, our contribution to Fisher’s theorem is equal to that of Basener and Sanford (2018)." Congrats on your paper, @zachbbionerd & @theevilutionist! https://t.co/9UHYo0DO0a

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Cat's out of the bag, @zachbbionerd and I co-authored a paper directly refuting Basener and Sanford (2018) on Fisher's fundamental theorem or natural selection. And it's also a direct refutation of silly "genetic entropy"! https://t.co/4CD1aOTXx3

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