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Overall, the discussions reflect a balanced curiosity about how subjective perceptions can be misleading, with examples such as mentions of the study where patients felt better with fake treatments while objective measures showed no real improvement; language such as 'discrepancy' and 'demonstration' underscores analytical tone and cautious interpretation of the results, indicating a moderate level of interest and engagement.
Many discussions highlight the discrepancy between subjective feelings of improvement and objective measures, indicating general agreement with the study's findings.
Participants exhibit moderate interest, often referencing the study and its implications without intense emotional language.
Many posts analyze the methodology and raise questions about the placebo effect, showing a thoughtful level of engagement.
There is recognition that these findings challenge assumptions about subjective symptom relief, suggesting a modest but meaningful impact on clinical understanding.
4/ Sier ikke om rapportert effekt skyldes behandling, naturlig bedring utover 10 uker eller placebo. Design tilsvarer det NICE konkluderer til lav/veldig lav vitenskapelig kvalitet. Samme oppsett ville konkludert at astma kan behandles med narremedisin https://t.co/0vDcFYENsz
Thank you for reading! Sources: 1. https://t.co/If2H0OLNnO 2. https://t.co/SUJoqNwoe8 3. https://t.co/HJPe504QBp 4. https://t.co/4vVeTcj0dB 5. https://t.co/w9g29r4Vhr
C'est quelque chose qu'on a observé notamment dans cette étude où l'on a comparé le ressenti des patients et une mesure plus objective de l'évolution des symptômes. https://t.co/ruRWOhDhfG
3/n O uso de um desfecho mole (tempo auto-referido para remissão dos sintomas) em um estudo aberto é bastante problemático, sobretudo porque já é descrito o potencial do efeito placebo relativo a terapia inalatória. https://t.co/lUUEWq7Iw2
@Nina_Steinkopf Forskningssjef i FHI Signe Flottorp mener med sin logikk også at falsk akupunktur og placebo er effektivt behandling av astma, ettersom subjektive spørreskjema ville konkludert med nettopp det; https://t.co/4HvuyerSDG
Artículo de Coyne: https://t.co/h1rXbO8V4Q paper original: https://t.co/PKZhDaxkIk
In a study with asthma patients, albuterol significantly improved lung function (FEV1) by about 20%, whereas placebo and sham treatments showed only a 7% increase. The findings highlight that placebo effects can…
Did you know that up to 97 of reported pharmaceutical side effects might not be caused by the drug itself but by the power of negative expectations? This episode explores how our beliefs influence health and the…
RT @TaroYam80519931: Fig1とは別実験のFig2（元論文のリンクも貼っておく。NEJMだな）は、実際には効いてないよ、を示してる。aは気道の閉塞程度を調べたもの。薬は実際に気道を広げてるが、プラセボや偽の鍼（実際には刺さらない）では未処置と変わらない。しか…
RT @TaroYam80519931: Fig1とは別実験のFig2（元論文のリンクも貼っておく。NEJMだな）は、実際には効いてないよ、を示してる。aは気道の閉塞程度を調べたもの。薬は実際に気道を広げてるが、プラセボや偽の鍼（実際には刺さらない）では未処置と変わらない。しか…
Fig1とは別実験のFig2（元論文のリンクも貼っておく。NEJMだな）は、実際には効いてないよ、を示してる。aは気道の閉塞程度を調べたもの。薬は実際に気道を広げてるが、プラセボや偽の鍼（実際には刺さらない）では未処置と変わらない。しかし 6/ https://t.co/cBJAbZZGLh https://t.co/OedqnPZtYi
Albuterol for asthma over the last 10 years--is that considered a slow motion medical reversal? @adamcifu https://t.co/Y1blCZIFIb https://t.co/fGoJFhNFLg
RT @DrSamuelBHume: Thank you for reading! Sources: 1. https://t.co/If2H0OLNnO 2. https://t.co/SUJoqNwoe8 3. https://t.co/HJPe504QBp 4.…
Thank you for reading! Sources: 1. https://t.co/If2H0OLNnO 2. https://t.co/SUJoqNwoe8 3. https://t.co/HJPe504QBp 4. https://t.co/4vVeTcj0dB 5. https://t.co/w9g29r4Vhr
@joernalistik @asaibrahim Sumber: https://t.co/9WqV7a7MXp https://t.co/tCjgcbZeJY
@Tom082941155282 @ThomMohr @BoyScou84038220 @KStateTurk @DiscernHeal @DavidOnSocialM @darnitcomics @TakethatCt @DocDeezWhat @monyro5 @ScooterScience @Tetrahydropyran @rw_christian @dan_gadd @ViroLIEgy @zwergie1 @HamHead5813 @JRJHealey @BlueBear0386 @DdkDav @ValZimmer2 @PChandr43659403 @PenOfAPisces @arrdeearr @macgyvertang20 @zbingledack @TrevorJukes1 @CarlSmytheCells @virologytruth @sanjay_world @JesperKitos @catsequalneko @sunshine_toes @sense_strand @Candles4Assange @Alec_Zeck @hauxton @McSheree3 @dave59_craft @LilElectronBlue @ThroneOfCrypto @MonetName @mauveTriforce @dirk_fasshauer @thisisnothappen @Zignack @JCmacc1 @mitrouscience @Bio_inspiration @Everybody5Dad Here's a good example: https://t.co/4pHKO25ZN6 It's an asthma study using an albuterol inhaler, a fake inhaler, and acupuncture. All groups reported breathing easier, but only the treatment group showed any objective improve
@jonathanstea Still one of my fav papers about how acupuncture doesn’t do anything except make you feel better. https://t.co/W31dBhy7lQ
@trotclo @A_SorrowfulSoul @keepcalmandkelp @7ex1H4pE6MiQSYj @DocAmine_ https://t.co/ruRWOhDhfG
@rieser_mathsci @trentgarrison @organichemusic @david_colquhoun Also, there was this really interesting study which had an objective endpoint (unlike, say, subjective pain scales, which is what most acupuncture studies use). https://t.co/mNncAQA2Go
@Sonic_urticant @MathieuMolimard @Clara_Locher Une manière de voir la différence c'est avec cet exemple sur l'asthme. Sur le paramètre subjectif influencé notamment par les effets placebos il n'y a pas forcément de supériorité du médicament. Il y a en revanche un effet objectif. https://t.co/ruRWOhUS7e
RT @CitronAlcalin: Dans d'autres cas comme pour l'asthme, on peut avoir l'impression d'aller mieux sans que les symptômes ne s'améliorent r…
4/ Sier ikke om rapportert effekt skyldes behandling, naturlig bedring utover 10 uker eller placebo. Design tilsvarer det NICE konkluderer til lav/veldig lav vitenskapelig kvalitet. Samme oppsett ville konkludert at astma kan behandles med narremedisin https://t.co/0vDcFYENsz
@cfs_research @MarekSJF @david_colquhoun Direct link to the study https://t.co/mNncAQA2Go
@neuro_1919 一方、「急性の喘息に対しては、偽の鍼であっても、主観的指標では薬と同様の改善が見られた(客観的指標では改善は見られなかった)」という研究もありhttps://t.co/CiHCYI7JSv、「痛みなどの主観的指標を改善させる事は得意だが、病態そのものを変化させる事は稀」などと考えております。
@dhu_de Als spezifische Arzneimitteltherapie funktioniert Homöopathie schlicht gar nicht. Ihr Placeboeffekt kann höchstens in gefährlicher Weise via "subjektivem Empfinden" über den tats. physiolog. Zustand hinwegtäuschen. https://t.co/Dcz1I2434P
@Kirk_Laughead @Pivoting51 @JenniferSey Here's a study that shows this nicely: https://t.co/gdGdCu2Er3 Asthma patients given a fake inhaler reported that their breathing improved (subjective improvement), but objective tests showed it had not.
RT @MEnough7: @Nina_Steinkopf Forskningssjef i FHI Signe Flottorp mener med sin logikk også at falsk akupunktur og placebo er effektivt beh…
@Nina_Steinkopf Forskningssjef i FHI Signe Flottorp mener med sin logikk også at falsk akupunktur og placebo er effektivt behandling av astma, ettersom subjektive spørreskjema ville konkludert med nettopp det; https://t.co/4HvuyerSDG
@niki_taa_a در ضمن خوب شدن علامتی مثل درد لزوما به معنای هیستریک بودن مریض نیست. "Active Albuterol or Placebo, Sham Acupuncture, or No Intervention in Asthma | NEJM" https://t.co/EC2FOwXahr
@NMacFa @julierehmeyer @annamorrissart @exceedhergrasp1 @PhilM64 @domsalisbury @rcpsych @timkendall1 @TomKindlon @sjmnotes @jenbrea @b_m_hughes @brianvastag @davidtuller1 @adambeyoncelowe @doctorasadkhan Active Albuterol or Placebo, Sham Acupuncture, or No Intervention in Asthma: The first three showed about the same improvement in their self-reports. Upon testing however, only the Active Albuterol patients showed objective improvement. https://t.co/XnzuAyiNez
@AllenFrancesMD Below is a study discussed in the thread. Doubt can cause pulmonary patients to report that a medication isn't working when, in fact, it allows them to move much more air. The med doesn't work by placebo effect, but doubt can induce reports of inefficacy. https://t.co/31Sz1sAuFb
@PeterDKramer Not sure why people think changes subjective rating scale scores correspond to illness improvement. See this study on asthmatics: https://t.co/gZ6anxEy3R https://t.co/rwUrAC2u7j
3/n O uso de um desfecho mole (tempo auto-referido para remissão dos sintomas) em um estudo aberto é bastante problemático, sobretudo porque já é descrito o potencial do efeito placebo relativo a terapia inalatória. https://t.co/lUUEWq7Iw2
@ABsteward https://t.co/4TVQAFjegS
@schrod_erwin @BlaiseScalpa 1. Non. Il donne l'impression de les calmer mais ne les calme pas objectivement. 2. Il ne les remplace pas. Pour la dernière fois : lisez la littérature sur le sujet. https://t.co/ruRWOhDhfG
@DrL0cura @vbaosv @elnocturno @RuquiEs @jmmulet @roipipe @foterova @irradia_crea @vaiconDios @vix_pop @vixsalud @ElenaC_S @Infosectas @CSanzAndrea @escepticos @ej_molina_c @cescept @100cia_ @ricardocomsalud @JulioBasulto_DN @FerFrias Quizás con un ejemplo se vea más claro, por ejemplo, este estudio que compara la acupuntura, falsa acupuntura, albuterol o ningún tratamiento para tratar el asma: https://t.co/NS7lUwG9CP Sigue
Now, I've never NOT thought about carrying my inhaler, but here's why I bring placebo up. https://t.co/aAOhzlmqLy
RT @pitiklinov: Artículo de Coyne: https://t.co/h1rXbO8V4Q paper original: https://t.co/PKZhDaxkIk
RT @pitiklinov: Artículo de Coyne: https://t.co/h1rXbO8V4Q paper original: https://t.co/PKZhDaxkIk
Artículo de Coyne: https://t.co/h1rXbO8V4Q paper original: https://t.co/PKZhDaxkIk
Paper-a-day. Sometimes you just feel better when people pay attention to you
@acnak @Karl_MD Tem um tonelada de estudo. So dar um google. Vou mandar 2 interessantes (natue e nejm )
C'est quelque chose qu'on a observé notamment dans cette étude où l'on a comparé le ressenti des patients et une mesure plus objective de l'évolution des symptômes. https://t.co/ruRWOhDhfG
@VileThePro @SeanMac777333 @mcfunny @100Dianne @jkellyca @angela_bower @StopVaxxedLies @bamajc7 @ianfmusgrave @ilzheven @Death_is_final @RCPrentice @Monstercoyliar @Sambacon25 @peterre76976220 @KatLaRue7 @Shared_facts @RisetteMD @chaoticsx2 @SVaxhole @BoastIra @HupperichWerner @PaulVCooper1 @BeckyJohnson222 @HPVSideEffects @KayVonPaul @rainmc @barryjohnreid21 @MacBaird13 @ChrisJohnsonMD @Gardeniagal4 @SMcwoof @CiteretV @FrankDElia7 @MaggieC_95 @organicdot @HaircutSpock @ThatBackwoodsB @LG28640297 @JaneEOpie @doritmi @carlsmythe @MonstaTofu @Kathmarval @Jojofool1 @PJMoore1958 @MikePeterson_TH @_mamadeb @GeoffSchuler @HatgiNeal Altmed is great at fooling you into thinking you are better when objectively you are not. Which is potentially very dangerous. https://t.co/gdGdCukfiB https://t.co/yBXSjjcU0B
RT @apetp_: @Mariaj0se79 @danzando_mp @lovenursingmery @c_jodar @MiguelDlaCamara @drmiguelmarcos @carloscomsalud tanto si se aplicaba el pl…
@Mariaj0se79 @danzando_mp @lovenursingmery @c_jodar @MiguelDlaCamara @drmiguelmarcos @carloscomsalud tanto si se aplicaba el placebo, como una pseudoterapia como un medicamento real. Y los pacientes realmente se sentían mejor pero cuando se hicieron medidas objetivas se dieron cuenta que solo los que habían tomado el medicamento habían realmente mejorado. https://t.co/8quU9GtTvs
RT @CoyneoftheRealm: Here is a classic demonstration of discrepancies obtained with objective vs subjective outcomes for placebo vs active…
Here is a classic demonstration of discrepancies obtained with objective vs subjective outcomes for placebo vs active treatment in asthma https://t.co/uYegLW5sMh https://t.co/oz6Pxrlp8Z
How susceptible are patients to the "placebo effect"? Studies like this suggest they are very susceptible: https://t.co/YXy56JMiIR #ScienceIsCool when it reveals insights like this. (Courtesy of @CrackedScience.) https://t.co/InSuLqlwGD
Active Albuterol or Placebo, Sham Acupuncture, or No Intervention in Asthma | NEJM https://t.co/CyAmkw6eYD
@crackedscience This one? https://t.co/VWZjezTB0Q
RT @krebiozen: @Awithonelison @jkellyca @_mamadeb @TakeThatCDC @AlumiLynn @AndrewLazarus4 @JaneEOpie @kfunk937 @TioChango_ @BlueLionBlog @C…
RT @krebiozen: @Awithonelison @jkellyca @_mamadeb @TakeThatCDC @AlumiLynn @AndrewLazarus4 @JaneEOpie @kfunk937 @TioChango_ @BlueLionBlog @C…
@Awithonelison @jkellyca @_mamadeb @TakeThatCDC @AlumiLynn @AndrewLazarus4 @JaneEOpie @kfunk937 @TioChango_ @BlueLionBlog @ChrisJohnsonMD @immunotoxPhD @BGLTHMND @_CWN @nicriopeele @fiski70 @mcfunny @MAhealthforkids @Sheldon_Walker_ @WendyOrent @ObamaNoMessiah @DanaElizabeth69 @BeckyJohnson222 @NeedyEedy @ianfmusgrave @badzoot7 @doritmi @Charbrevolution @LiveVaxFree @davidwells223 @2013Boodicca @felixbloodaxe @JohnSibson @QuatloosX @jp_miner @TThoughtmonger @LithiumMano @PedsID4Life @Monstercoyliar @Boxmenot @Rosewind2007 @saluce65 @StopVaxxedLies @kuriousmind93 @downeyballs @asiamoonbloom @VeritasEver @thereal_truther @rugbyrhino16 @ghoppe This study where they used fake asthma inhalers and sham acupuncture, and patients reported relief, but actual measurements of lung function found no effects compared to no treatment, makes me concerned that placebos could be actively dangerous. https
@bmj_latest @jonathanasterne Would the risk of bias tool consider this clinical trial as having low risk of bias, assuming the trial did not include objective measurement of lung function (that reveals the total unreliability of self-rated improvement)? doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 https://t.co/PVabmSEWRJ
https://t.co/otGqaNi065
@ImmortalPT @SalwaPT @alaabazaid Here is another study he did in NEJM which has over 250 citation https://t.co/umYWRK2Y4u
@DocPepperFR @Thomas_EELV @LehmannDrC @franceinfoplus @franceinfo C'est en effet ce qu'il se passe au mieux, au pire c'est uniquement du ressenti, les effets contextuels ne fonctionnent pas réellement sur l'asthme. https://t.co/LE1cznwdTm
@yannurville @AbdouPffPff @GMeurice La source concernant asthme et placebo : https://t.co/DHiQXWL4Xr
@ClalitHealth לדוגמה: https://t.co/qis8K1UECO (רואים, גם אני יכול) https://t.co/ff9Krv4MnE
@wilcallef @a_berut @Matricule01 D'autant plus que l'effet placebo sur l'asthme est très limité et fonctionne en fait plutôt sur le ressenti des patients. https://t.co/LE1cznwdTm
@ADAlthousePhD @JeremySussman @BenMazer This one. I kind of love this paper. https://t.co/Gm5KUzr7lk
RT @CoyneoftheRealm: Nice demonstration of lack of correpondence of subjective support with validated objective measures of functioning in…
Buen día para recordar que a la hora de evaluar eficacia en salud sentirse mejor (subjetivo) no es igual a estar mejor (objetivo). https://t.co/tjh50v8410 https://t.co/39CJqARBHD
Nice demonstration of lack of correpondence of subjective support with validated objective measures of functioning in presence of placebo effects https://t.co/QEm6MTorm1 https://t.co/pd2Dr1C5Qq
... 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 PMID: 21751905 PMCID: 3154208. 19. Kaptchuk TJ, Friedlander E, Kelley JM, Sanchez MN, Kokkotou E, Singer JP, Kowalczykowski M, Miller ...
https://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 table bowel syndrome (IBS) patients is associated with Wiech, K., Ploner, M., & Tracey, I. (2008). Neurocognitive
org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/9/e003360 E agora, é demonstrado na patologia músculo- esquelética, um dos grandes ...
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319. Pmoran • 8 months ago. I remember this study well. What is your explanation for the ...
org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319?url_ ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref. org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov). L'effet placebo ...
... 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319. Toda autorrepresentación es incompleta. "La verdad y el significado no son una misma cosa, el error consiste en ...
doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319. Redberg RF. Sham controls in medical device trials. N Engl J Med. 2014;371(10):892-893. doi: 10.1056/NEJMp1406388.
... are having the same outcome as no treatment. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 · u/ansius avatar · ansius. • 7y ago.
http://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319; Albring, A., Wendt, L., Benson, S., Witzke, O., Kribben, A., Engler, H., & Schedlowski, M. (2012) ...
... 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 Merely giving a placebo is enough to make asthmatic patients say that their breathing is already better, yet if you ...
以下研究很好地说明了这一点： 主动舒喘灵或安慰剂、假针灸或无干预治疗哮喘http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1103319 仅仅给予安慰剂就 ...
... 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319#t=article. To make it clear, I'm not saying that ventolin/salbutamol is based on a placebo effect BUT if users know ...
... 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319. ¡NUEVO LIBRO INTRAMED! "La verdad y otras mentiras" historias de hospital. Información, descarga de relatos y venta on ...
... 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319" target="_blank">The study, published today in the New England ...
New England Journal of Medicine, 2011; 365 (2): 119 DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa1103319. Cite This Page: MLA; APA; Chicago. Beth Israel Deaconess Medical ...
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